Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Apr 5th 2002, 8:25 pm
#16
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Actually you don't need a passport to leave the US. You may use one for the photo identification needed to prove you are the ticket holder but you aren't required to show a passport to leave the country. You will have to show a passport in order to enter a foreign country.
Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
Rita
Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
Rita
Apr 6th 2002, 11:50 am
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Rita wrote:
> Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after
> leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out
> the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was
> entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
>
> Rita
>
That used to be pretty common. Planes that arrive from the US with mostly USCs are
usually waved through given that there is so much USC military stationed around there
with relatives flying in and out all the time.
However, Sept 11 changed all that. I flew into Germany in late September, and there
were both German police and military stationed everywhere (it seemed to me). Even
though I had a German passport I was examined closely. Getting back on a plane to the
US also became really difficult - my passport was checked three times, when going
through security, I had to take my shoes off, and the nail clippers I had in my
backpack because I had forgotten to pack them in my suitcase were confiscated and
sent via mail to my home address. Area E in Terminal 2 (where the US flights usually
leave) felt like it was completely selaed off, and you had to show passports, plane
tickets etc. at least three times. It was pretty tight scrutiny. When my husband flew
into Germany on a US passport a week later, he definitely had to show his passport,
got his arrival stamp, and was asked what his plans were. That was the first time he
was so tightly scrutinized, but I think most other European countries now have
hightened security (Heathrow for sure!) for US citizens as well.
- Des
> Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after
> leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out
> the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was
> entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
>
> Rita
>
That used to be pretty common. Planes that arrive from the US with mostly USCs are
usually waved through given that there is so much USC military stationed around there
with relatives flying in and out all the time.
However, Sept 11 changed all that. I flew into Germany in late September, and there
were both German police and military stationed everywhere (it seemed to me). Even
though I had a German passport I was examined closely. Getting back on a plane to the
US also became really difficult - my passport was checked three times, when going
through security, I had to take my shoes off, and the nail clippers I had in my
backpack because I had forgotten to pack them in my suitcase were confiscated and
sent via mail to my home address. Area E in Terminal 2 (where the US flights usually
leave) felt like it was completely selaed off, and you had to show passports, plane
tickets etc. at least three times. It was pretty tight scrutiny. When my husband flew
into Germany on a US passport a week later, he definitely had to show his passport,
got his arrival stamp, and was asked what his plans were. That was the first time he
was so tightly scrutinized, but I think most other European countries now have
hightened security (Heathrow for sure!) for US citizens as well.
- Des
Apr 6th 2002, 12:24 pm
#18
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Glad to see they have changed. When we went there were armed military patrolling the airport in Frankfurt. Our plane was Luftshana and we were the only Americans on it I believe. It was a maiden flight by one of their subsidiaries out of Newark.
But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US. I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US. I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
Apr 6th 2002, 3:01 pm
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Originally posted by Rete
But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US. I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US. I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
Apr 6th 2002, 5:50 pm
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Yup thats so true Rete, 2 years ago, my brother didn't realize that his US passport
had just expired, the guy at JFK airport brought it to his attention but the Swiss
authorities, when we got to Zurich, didn't even pay attentiont o the fact he was
flying with an expired passport!
Rete <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Actually you don't need a passport to leave the US. You may use one for the photo
> identification needed to prove you are the ticket holder but you aren't required to
> show a passport to leave the country. You will have to show a passport in order to
> enter a foreign country.
>
> Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after
> leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out
> the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was
> entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
>
> Rita
>
>
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had just expired, the guy at JFK airport brought it to his attention but the Swiss
authorities, when we got to Zurich, didn't even pay attentiont o the fact he was
flying with an expired passport!
Rete <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Actually you don't need a passport to leave the US. You may use one for the photo
> identification needed to prove you are the ticket holder but you aren't required to
> show a passport to leave the country. You will have to show a passport in order to
> enter a foreign country.
>
> Actually when I went to Germany a few years back, I didn't show my passport after
> leaving the plane in Frankfurt. We left the plane, got our luggage and walked out
> the door to the train station. The only times our passports were examined was
> entering Switzerland and Austria. Germany could have cared less.
>
> Rita
>
>
>
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> --
> Rete and Jim (Can/Am Alumni '98)
>
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Apr 6th 2002, 6:50 pm
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Rete wrote:
>
[ ... ]
>
> But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US.
> I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a
> PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
For international flights you do. I would be surprised if it is not asked for. I've
been back and forth US->UK several times in the past 4 years and cannot remember not
showing my passport. I assume I would not be let on an international flight without
it and wouldn't even consider going to the airport without it.
Even if you could get on an international flight without a passport it seems very
unlikely (to me) that you could get past immigration control upon landing, no matter
what country you're from.
For US domestinc flights a driver's license is sufficient ID to be able to get
on a plane.
>
[ ... ]
>
> But you didn't say that your passport was scruntized to get on the plane in the US.
> I'm curious if this is a need condition at the airports that someone has to SHOW a
> PASSPORT in order to get on a plane.
For international flights you do. I would be surprised if it is not asked for. I've
been back and forth US->UK several times in the past 4 years and cannot remember not
showing my passport. I assume I would not be let on an international flight without
it and wouldn't even consider going to the airport without it.
Even if you could get on an international flight without a passport it seems very
unlikely (to me) that you could get past immigration control upon landing, no matter
what country you're from.
For US domestinc flights a driver's license is sufficient ID to be able to get
on a plane.
Apr 7th 2002, 7:50 am
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If you are a US citizen, regardless of whether or not you hold a passport from
another country, travel to Cuba is prohibited. You can simply use your US passport
when you leave and enter the US, and travel around the world using another passport,
but you cannot travel to any country that is prohibited by the US. Take Care. Shelley
"Fishy Baby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What about leaving the US,using your US passport, going to a different country,
> then leaving that country and going to Cuba on your non-US passport.
>
> I believe the laws are that you have to leave and enter the US with your US
> passport. Is there anything said about other travels overseas?
>
>
another country, travel to Cuba is prohibited. You can simply use your US passport
when you leave and enter the US, and travel around the world using another passport,
but you cannot travel to any country that is prohibited by the US. Take Care. Shelley
"Fishy Baby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What about leaving the US,using your US passport, going to a different country,
> then leaving that country and going to Cuba on your non-US passport.
>
> I believe the laws are that you have to leave and enter the US with your US
> passport. Is there anything said about other travels overseas?
>
>
Apr 7th 2002, 5:50 pm
#23
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> Actually you don't need a passport to leave the US. You may use one for the photo
> identification needed to prove you are the ticket holder but you aren't required to
> show a passport to leave the country. You will have to show a passport in order to
> enter a foreign country.
It should be noted that while there are no outbound passport controls when leaving
the US, US law does require that US citizens be in possession of a US passport when
they leave the US (unless going to countries where a passport is not required for
travel, like Canada)
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html (scroll down to section b)
If a person with both US citizenship and British citizenship were to travel to
Britain with only a British passport, and he applied for a US passport at a US
embassy in Britain, he would have to pay a fine for not having a US passport when he
left the US.
Stephen Gallagher
> identification needed to prove you are the ticket holder but you aren't required to
> show a passport to leave the country. You will have to show a passport in order to
> enter a foreign country.
It should be noted that while there are no outbound passport controls when leaving
the US, US law does require that US citizens be in possession of a US passport when
they leave the US (unless going to countries where a passport is not required for
travel, like Canada)
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html (scroll down to section b)
If a person with both US citizenship and British citizenship were to travel to
Britain with only a British passport, and he applied for a US passport at a US
embassy in Britain, he would have to pay a fine for not having a US passport when he
left the US.
Stephen Gallagher
Apr 8th 2002, 5:50 am
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
Normally not, but you can file for being allowed to keep your German citizenship
under certain circumstances. The link here gives some insight into the procedure
... http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch...enship/einbue-
rgerung.html
Germany Info: Information Services: Consular Services: Citizenship -
Staatsangehörigkeit
Hope this helps, Isa
Des wrote:
> Does anyone know whether Germany allows dual citizenship if you become naturalized
> in the US?
>
> - Des
under certain circumstances. The link here gives some insight into the procedure
... http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch...enship/einbue-
rgerung.html
Germany Info: Information Services: Consular Services: Citizenship -
Staatsangehörigkeit
Hope this helps, Isa
Des wrote:
> Does anyone know whether Germany allows dual citizenship if you become naturalized
> in the US?
>
> - Des
Apr 8th 2002, 11:50 am
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Re: Dual citizenship...pros-cons?
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andy Platt wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I don't understand what you are saying but it sounds like you
think
> > that other than US citizens, people in the US should not be able to
leave
> > the country for even short trips without losing their status. I'm sure that's not
> > what you really want is it?!?!
> >
> > Andy.
>
> Hi All!
>
> You got it. I think there should be commitment to coming here and living
here.
> I remember the other thread about people whining that they were unhappy
here,
> because they couldn't find there favorite cookie. Coming here to marry
someone
> is a big decision and I feel if a person knew they couldn't leave until
they
> were given permanent residence and couldn't not keep citizenship of the
country
> they where coming from and must become a U.S. citizen at some point, they
would
> be 100% sure this is what they wanted to do
You really are mad aren't you? Ever heard of family ties?
Deana & I visit my family in the UK two or three times a year. Does that mean we want
to live in our nice house in Arlington, VA, thirty minutes from her family any less?
Does it mean that I love my American daughter any less? Does it mean I want to
participate in the community I live in any less? Or does it mean that I love my
family and want to see them occasionally?
Try this for an idea. Once you leave your hometown you are never ever under no
circumstances allowed to return to it? I expect that seems like a fine idea to you
but it seems like the most idiotic thing imaginable to me but it's tantamount to what
you are suggesting.
I would recommend therapy - it seems that you have some xenophobic issues you need to
sort out!!!
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
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> Andy Platt wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I don't understand what you are saying but it sounds like you
think
> > that other than US citizens, people in the US should not be able to
leave
> > the country for even short trips without losing their status. I'm sure that's not
> > what you really want is it?!?!
> >
> > Andy.
>
> Hi All!
>
> You got it. I think there should be commitment to coming here and living
here.
> I remember the other thread about people whining that they were unhappy
here,
> because they couldn't find there favorite cookie. Coming here to marry
someone
> is a big decision and I feel if a person knew they couldn't leave until
they
> were given permanent residence and couldn't not keep citizenship of the
country
> they where coming from and must become a U.S. citizen at some point, they
would
> be 100% sure this is what they wanted to do
You really are mad aren't you? Ever heard of family ties?
Deana & I visit my family in the UK two or three times a year. Does that mean we want
to live in our nice house in Arlington, VA, thirty minutes from her family any less?
Does it mean that I love my American daughter any less? Does it mean I want to
participate in the community I live in any less? Or does it mean that I love my
family and want to see them occasionally?
Try this for an idea. Once you leave your hometown you are never ever under no
circumstances allowed to return to it? I expect that seems like a fine idea to you
but it seems like the most idiotic thing imaginable to me but it's tantamount to what
you are suggesting.
I would recommend therapy - it seems that you have some xenophobic issues you need to
sort out!!!
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
