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Old Feb 6th 2013, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Englishmum
I wouldn't want to live near a wind farm at all. Here are some reasons why: ....
All well and good, but I wonder how that compares to living near motorways, railways, airports etc.?

I'd also say it is likely very personal - living near the commuter railroad in NY just about pushed me over the edge because I was already suffering job related stress. The frequent flights of choppers was also disturbing. And these problems I experienced in NY are despite living a similar distance from one of London's busiest commuter lines, and only 120 from a dual carriageway, and not having a problem. I also lived under the (generally inward) flight path at Heathrow, and I quickly got used to the continuous (though generally not at night) flights over head.
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Did you look at DC? Yes, the terminals are expensive!

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I recommended Offshore power generation but they didn't want to do that! (There were 2x cables being run which is incredibly expensive!)
DC wasn't a feasible option. There were many variables involved in the decision making process that were operational rather than design based which limited our options on a solution.
We get asked to look at DC quite frequently for submarine cables from a concept standpoint, but it normally gets thrown out quite quickly. There are a few projects coming up though where it is being looked at quite seriously.
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I think we need to define what we mean by the word "near". There are regulations for how close a large wind turbine can be to a residence, and what's an acceptable distance is a debatable subject.

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I wouldn't want to live near a wind farm at all. Here are some reasons why:
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Those golf balls do look kind of amazing.
Did ..... they're long gone ... removed about 25 years ago!
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Did ..... they're long gone ... removed about 25 years ago!
The pictures of them on t'internet still exist though.
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Old Feb 6th 2013, 11:12 pm
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Thanks for all the replies! Lots to cogitate on indeed. And I hadn't even thought about power transmission lines....

Originally Posted by jeffreyhy
I think we need to define what we mean by the word "near". There are regulations for how close a large wind turbine can be to a residence, and what's an acceptable distance is a debatable subject.
Exactly. We've heard different things, so these regulations may vary by municipality (?). One realtor said the rule presently in her territory was 2,000 feet. Someone else (in another area) mentioned 1/4 mile, and we also have heard 1/2 mile mentioned as a "better" distance.

One town we're interested has some, though not near any houses we've looked at. But it seems that one of the turbines causes distracting "flicker" on a major roadway in the morning with the sun behind it. Residents lobbied to stop the blades moving during rush hour, because there was fear of accidents. (Plus there was a danger of so-called "strobe-light-induced seizures".)

We drove this road several times & did not find the turbine's motion a problem, but then the sun wasn't shining much. So we're not sure what to think of the issue. Some residents are trying to get rid of the turbines, apparently.
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Just noticed a Canada thread on the topic. Have not read it.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=786045
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Did ..... they're long gone ... removed about 25 years ago!
Oh crap...is it really that long? I'm older than I thought......

Used to love going ov rthe moors and seeing the old golf balls.....seem to remember reading they'd been replaced with some pyramids now....doesn't sound quite right, but may be worth a shufti...
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Originally Posted by WEBlue
One realtor said the rule presently in her territory was 2,000 feet. Someone else (in another area) mentioned 1/4 mile, and we also have heard 1/2 mile mentioned as a "better" distance.
If its that close, I would definitely go on a quiet windy night with the wind towards "your' house and check out the noise...

Quite a few of the campsites we stay on have small wind turbines, and the hum from those is clearly audible from 1/2 a mile away. Granted, they're different beasts, but I'd be cautious.
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Originally Posted by jeffreyhy
Yes, we are talking about essentially the same voltage for windfarm collector systems, and it does seem that the industry, in the US anyway, has standardized on that voltage level whether formally or informally.

I disagree with you somewhat on this point, although it may just be a question of semantics. Voltage level and power capability are intimately related. The more power that needs to be moved, the higher the voltage has to be to move it. It is true that longer distances also call for higher voltages for efficiency's sake, but regardless of distance the voltage has to be high enough for the materials to handle the associated current.

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If you want to get into the semantics, it is not the power being moved but rather the power loss. Higher voltage less current for the same power. Lower current less power lost in transmission.
Power = current (i) x Voltage (V)
power loss of the line i^2 x resistance (r)
There is also the question of frequency which will affect impedance as well as the current path through the cable.

There is at least one case of a sub sea DC link in Canada from Vancouver to Vancouver Island.
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Just noticed a Canada thread on the topic. Have not read it.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=786045
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't seen that thread.

One poster there mentions that a relative in England lives half a mile from a smaller one and has no issues. The house we're looking at is two miles from the nearest one, so the house itself is (probably) a safe distance from any issues...

I suppose the only turbine we should worry about is another one on the main road to the next town, the one I mentioned that commuters have complained about as having the distracting sunshine "flicker". But I don't see that as much of a problem...though maybe we need to drive by it at different times of the day to make sure.
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Highway safety is important, and it's not a good idea to make a road less safe than it could be. On the other hand, I currently commute on an interstate highway with east-west sections where I'm looking directly into the sun on the way to work and again on the way home. It's hard for me to imagine flicker being any worse than near blindness.

Do these same residents call for roads to be closed when there's a heavy fog, or other dangerous driving conditions? Or have they considered driving more carefully when the flicker exists?
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One town we're interested has some, though not near any houses we've looked at. But it seems that one of the turbines causes distracting "flicker" on a major roadway in the morning with the sun behind it. Residents lobbied to stop the blades moving during rush hour, because there was fear of accidents. (Plus there was a danger of so-called "strobe-light-induced seizures".)

We drove this road several times & did not find the turbine's motion a problem, but then the sun wasn't shining much. So we're not sure what to think of the issue.
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Some residents are trying to get rid of the turbines, apparently.
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It would put me off and I would expect to pay less because of it. As do power lines and being overlooked. To a lesser extent, being too near a school I find off putting as well. Near enough to walk, good. Near enough to be fed up with the kids/parking, bad.
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Not to mention the inconvenience of having to slow down when passing by.

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To a lesser extent, being too near a school I find off putting as well. Near enough to walk, good. Near enough to be fed up with the kids/parking, bad.
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Old Feb 7th 2013, 9:20 pm
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How nearby are we talking? Back garden kind of near and the whine would get on my tits, though like a train track, I'm sure you'd get used to it and not notice after a while.

Resale could be a issue, especially if the farm grows.
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