scrubbedexpat099

I just wish I had not lost my original paper DL, would have been perfect for these situation. And it went to 65.

Turned the flat upside down but could not find it, came to the conclusion I must have lost it prior to my last move, and that was 10 years prior.

scrubbedexpat099

????

So I have to declare everytime I have not carries my GC?

And every time I might have broken the speed limit by a mile or so.

And jaywalked.

So far the only person who has had an issue was an Immigration Lawyer, did she declare it?

Matthew Udall

Oh come on, the human experience provides us all with more colorful opportunities than the lame examples (speeding and jaywalking) you give above. How about illegally downloading music as one example, which is still probably a pretty common theft crime.

So are you saying you are willing to lie on an N-400 (And I can’t tell you what to do, you will have to decide this for yourself)? And do you give such ridiculous examples to discourage others from being truthful on the N-400?

You know, just listing “yes” (where an honest person would answer yes) does not necessarily mean the N-400 will be denied. Check out the N-400 instructions.

Under Part 10, they say, “Answer each question by checking yes or no. If any part of a question applies to you, you must answer yes. For example, if you were never arrested but were once detained by a police officer, check “yes” to the question “Have you ever been arrested or detained by a law enforcement officer?” and attach a written explanation”.

Cont: “We will use this information to determine your eligibility for citizenship. Answer every question honestly and accurately. If you do not, we may deny your application for lack of good moral character. Answering “yes” to one of these questions does not always cause an application to be denied”.

So, lying on the N-400 is a separate and perhaps more damaging strike than simply telling the truth. And for those who use the internet to archive the truth (which is pretty dumb in IMO), well I guess they will have the same choice as anybody else when it comes to being truthful when asking the U.S. government to grant the greatest gift it can bestow.

And when it comes down to something as silly and as easy as carrying a greencard, that seems pretty ridiculous to me. I’ve been carrying my drivers license around since the age of 16 and believe me its not that much of a bother. And if I lost it, well I’d order another one. What’s the bid deal?

Again, if one is a liar that's up to them, but if so then it seems a little dumb to archive the truth on a news group... don't cha think?

Hypertweeky

Hahaha Maybe that's why they carded me!!

Hypertweeky

Hahaha!! Those peeps in Boulder...

Hypertweeky

Ouch!! My gas is going to get me in trouble!!! If I have to tell how many times I farted in hope of getting out of trouble.. I am going to need lots of paper

scrubbedexpat099

Sir,

I have never downloaded music. So looks like I am OK. Prefer Talk Radio.

As I mentioned above, I never used to carry my DL, although I do now, well if I am driving.

Have I ever driven in the US without my DL on me, probably. I certainly could not state beyong reasonable doubt that I had not.

By the look of it any Republican would need to answer YES to 9b maybe and certainly 10. (Off topic, but what happens next?). Some might suggest 9c as well, but personally I think that would be too far.

I presume that you are refering to Question 15, if you had been cited/detained/charged, like the Immigration Lawyer, then you would have to put in the details. Nowhere have I suggested otherwise.

Life is full of risks, often there is no perfect solution, we all have to make our own choices according to our perception of what is best.

If I lived in a border town, no doubt my view of where that balance was would be different.

PS: Before I had my GC, I did not carry my Passport around with me either.

PPS: Assuming the amnesty, there are going to be some interesting forms going through the system in a few years.

Matthew Udall

Hi Boiler,
Hey, I like talk radio too although I don’t get the opportunity to listen to it too often (usually when driving across the desert to Utah). I like NPR, Tom Lykis, and I used to even enjoy listening to Art Bell late in the evenings.

I understand the desire to joke around and make light of things (answering yes to 9b, 9c and 10) but I actually think this is a serious topic. Everyone has to make up their own mind if they want to be an honest person, but not everyone may know about the N-400 and the requirement to carry the card. I worry when I see the “funny” replies that seem to minimize or make light of the requirement to carry the card (like its no big deal to commit this misdemeanor). And I also think its dumb to post (archive) things in public that could likely get that person into trouble (evidence of later falsehoods made on CIS forms). Maybe some people haven’t taken this reality into consideration, so its possible that our discussion might be helpful to some.

Question 15 is relevant to this discussion, but you are quoting question 16 in your posting above.

Yes, we all have to make our own choices but I worry about those who don’t know any better, who might not want to have to eventually lie, and who are influenced by the whole “so I have to report jaywalking!” wink and a nod examples that typically come up in this type of discussion. The whole, “you have got to be kidding, I have to obey the law about carrying my greencard” attitude might influence the perceptions and choices of those who look up to you (after all, you are a long time participant, seem to be a nice fellow, and I assume a very respected member to many).

And advocating unlawful behavior is certainly against the BE rules of acceptable conduct. But don’t worry; I’m not a moderator.

You say you live in a border town, but how is that relevant to this discussion of committing a misdemeanor by not carrying the card? So, “you” might live in a place where perhaps you might come into contact with someone who might want to check your status... having your card on you might come in handy (although I have no idea if that is true… would actually ever happen) however every single person who files an N-400 must answer honestly and where they live in the U.S. is irrelevant.

This thread clearly shows that some will post damaging and incriminating information about themselves on the internet that will be archived for years to come, and I think the truth of this reality may be important to others regardless of where they live.

scrubbedexpat099

I was refering to Question 15, not 16.

15 asks - Have you ever committed a crime or offense for which you were not arrested, you are then asked to complete the section below if YES.

You then have to give details of when you were arrested/cited/detained or charged. Arrested does not apply in this question, so that leaves cited, detained or charged.

So to come back to my purile examples, next time someone does not stop for me and the dog at the Pedestrian Crossings in town, which is usual, they would only need to fill in details if they were cited, detained or charged.

More seriously, if you have advocated regieme change in Iraq, how could you not answer YES to 10?. If its OK not to mention anything GW has done, that would exempt DUI's as well, and probably quite a few other things.

Now if I have missed something, please do point out where it says otherwise.

PS I thought it was offence with a c, but spelling has never been my strong point.

Bedtime.

scrubbedexpat099

Radio 5 Rules

I do not live in a Border town, IF I did I most likely would make sure I had it with me.

There are probably many laws I have broken without knowing it, I appreciate that ignorance is no excuse.

Jan Schaumann

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    > I was chatting with another expat last night and the subject of
    > carrying greencards came up. I recently received mine (about 2 months
    > ago) and the accompanying letter said that it should be carried at all
    > times ... so I do!

Going through this thread, I have the following question:

Why would GC holders be required to carry the GC with them?

To the best of my knowledge, I am not currently required to carry my
passport or visa with me at all times, nor are US citizens required to
carry their passport with them.

That is, it is my understanding that under most circumstances hardly
anybody is actually entitled to request to see your authorization to be in
the country -- regular law enforcement, for example, can not ask you to
produce your green card.

Am I wrong?

If I'm correct in that non-permanent residents are not required to carry
their passport/visa with them at all times, why would a stronger
restriction be imposed on GC holders? Especially given the risk of
loosing such an important document, as others have expressed.

- -Jan

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"You just come along with me and have a good time. The Galaxy's a
fun place. You'll need to have this fish in your ear."
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Ray

Hi Matt .. I have just been thru all the info supplied with the GC ...
there is no reference anywhere I can find in relation to carrying
the card on your person all the time ..
How would one be aware about such a regulation...

Folinskyinla

Section 264(e) of the Immigration & Nationality Act. Note defintion found at 101(a)(3).

Folinskyinla

http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/ins...htm#slb-act264

Ray

So how would Mr average find that information ...
You could hardly expect somebody to get their GC and then search for rules relating to it ..not everybody would even know how ..