Democratic debate on immigration
Sep 9th 2003, 1:02 pm
#46
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Nobody wrote:
> "Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> 1. Close to 40% of Floridians drive without insurance. Logic tells you that,
> the American citizens are the majority. We don't have close to 40% illegal
> immigrants here in FL.
So what's your point? All 40% are breaking the law, so why add to it? Grandma
and Granddad need to be taken off the road too. That's probably 39.9% of them.
LOL
> 2. Get uninsured motorist coverage and you are covered. Problem solved.
Why should I pay to protect myself against people that are driving illegally and
the government is going to aid them in the ability to be on the road?
> 3. Sue the government for not executing their laws. The police should check
> the tags for expiration and the drivers for current insurance.
> They are to busy making sure the real threats of the road like me have their
> seatbelts on. LOL
> 4. Getting a drivers license has nothing to do with getting insurance. You
> must show prove of insurance at the time of registering your car in FL.
> (Motorcycles are NOT required to have insurance in FL and are included in the
> "close to 40%".)
Yeah, but kind of hard to drive without a vehicle having tags.
> 5. If somebody is here illegally, he probably HAS insurance, because he
> doesn't want to get caught without it and then get deported when they check
> him out!
The police could careless if a person is here illegally. Another thing they
should be doing besides checking to see if my seat belt is on.
> 6. Drunks, Niggers (don't take it as a racist argument), white trash and
> rednecks are the people who don't have insurance. Don't mix them with somebody
> who is just unlawfully present!
Yeah but those are home grown. Don't need to add to the number of people that
shouldn't be on the road or be here period.
> "Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> 1. Close to 40% of Floridians drive without insurance. Logic tells you that,
> the American citizens are the majority. We don't have close to 40% illegal
> immigrants here in FL.
So what's your point? All 40% are breaking the law, so why add to it? Grandma
and Granddad need to be taken off the road too. That's probably 39.9% of them.
LOL
> 2. Get uninsured motorist coverage and you are covered. Problem solved.
Why should I pay to protect myself against people that are driving illegally and
the government is going to aid them in the ability to be on the road?
> 3. Sue the government for not executing their laws. The police should check
> the tags for expiration and the drivers for current insurance.
> They are to busy making sure the real threats of the road like me have their
> seatbelts on. LOL
> 4. Getting a drivers license has nothing to do with getting insurance. You
> must show prove of insurance at the time of registering your car in FL.
> (Motorcycles are NOT required to have insurance in FL and are included in the
> "close to 40%".)
Yeah, but kind of hard to drive without a vehicle having tags.
> 5. If somebody is here illegally, he probably HAS insurance, because he
> doesn't want to get caught without it and then get deported when they check
> him out!
The police could careless if a person is here illegally. Another thing they
should be doing besides checking to see if my seat belt is on.
> 6. Drunks, Niggers (don't take it as a racist argument), white trash and
> rednecks are the people who don't have insurance. Don't mix them with somebody
> who is just unlawfully present!
Yeah but those are home grown. Don't need to add to the number of people that
shouldn't be on the road or be here period.
Sep 9th 2003, 1:13 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Originally posted by Nobody
You didn't read my post correctly.
I used nigger to describe a black asshole and I used redneck to describe a white asshole. I have absolutely nothing against black people but I hate niggers. I have absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks.
Hope you get the point!
You didn't read my post correctly.
I used nigger to describe a black asshole and I used redneck to describe a white asshole. I have absolutely nothing against black people but I hate niggers. I have absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks.
Hope you get the point!
Your point is that you will use offensive, racist fighting words when you see fit, no matter whether it is necessary to make a cogent argument, which clearly you are incapable of doing without them.
My point is that makes you a dick. A racist dick at that.
And on that note, I'm going to shut up about this because (a) anything else I have to say is not for public consumption and (b) it is now so far away from the subject of this thread that it is a distraction and of no value to the larger discussion.
Rete: Is there an ignore feature on the MB? How does one access it?
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Sep 9th 2003, 1:49 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
Rete
Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
Rete
Sep 9th 2003, 2:16 pm
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Dekka,
Are you saying that the state of California requires every driver to have uninsured motorist coverage or that Insurance companies are required to offer it. I am saying I am not required to have it as I simply signed a waiver and it knocked off about 84 bucks a year. So it is NOT required though you may be saying that it is required that they offered it.
Uninsured Motorist Coverage (UMC) – Provides coverage for a policyholder involved in a collision with a driver who does not have liability insurance or who does not have sufficient liability limits to pay for damages. UMC comes in two parts: uninsured motorist bodily injury (UMBI) and uninsured motorist property damage (UMPD). UMBI coverage pays for injuries to you or any person in your car when there is a collision with an uninsured driver. UMPD coverage pays for the property damage to your car when there is a collision with an identified uninsured driver. UMC must be offered when you purchase liability coverage for your auto. If you decline UMC, you must sign a declination waiver.
The above was taken from from the CA insurance website.
http://www.insurance.ca.gov/CSD/Broc...e/AutoTerm.htm
Now I also want to add that I enjoy your posts and maybe we were talking about different things. I am also glad you did not let that poster drag you into a debate!
Are you saying that the state of California requires every driver to have uninsured motorist coverage or that Insurance companies are required to offer it. I am saying I am not required to have it as I simply signed a waiver and it knocked off about 84 bucks a year. So it is NOT required though you may be saying that it is required that they offered it.
Uninsured Motorist Coverage (UMC) – Provides coverage for a policyholder involved in a collision with a driver who does not have liability insurance or who does not have sufficient liability limits to pay for damages. UMC comes in two parts: uninsured motorist bodily injury (UMBI) and uninsured motorist property damage (UMPD). UMBI coverage pays for injuries to you or any person in your car when there is a collision with an uninsured driver. UMPD coverage pays for the property damage to your car when there is a collision with an identified uninsured driver. UMC must be offered when you purchase liability coverage for your auto. If you decline UMC, you must sign a declination waiver.
The above was taken from from the CA insurance website.
http://www.insurance.ca.gov/CSD/Broc...e/AutoTerm.htm
Now I also want to add that I enjoy your posts and maybe we were talking about different things. I am also glad you did not let that poster drag you into a debate!
Last edited by Aliluv; Sep 9th 2003 at 2:19 pm.
Sep 9th 2003, 2:20 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
ScarlettHill wrote:
> Well, what I say is...
> (jumps madly into the fray)
> No taxation without representation!!!
> So stop taxing me, America. I'm not allowed to vote for years yet!
Seen on a bumper sticker... "Taxation with representation ain't so hot
either!" :-)
> Well, what I say is...
> (jumps madly into the fray)
> No taxation without representation!!!
> So stop taxing me, America. I'm not allowed to vote for years yet!
Seen on a bumper sticker... "Taxation with representation ain't so hot
either!" :-)
Sep 9th 2003, 2:34 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Dekka's Angel wrote:
> You are probably confusing UM/UMI with Medical Payments coverage,
> which is optional and which protects the insured for medical expenses
> that s/he incurs if there is no liability coverage held by the other
> driver which can respond. Medical Payments coverage is usually not
> volunteered by most carriers, and not held by most insureds because
> they have health insurance that covers these costs. But that is not
> the same as UM/UMI, which covers the damages that most people incur in
> an accident - damage to their own vehicle at the hands of an
> uninsured/underinsured driver. That is why your insurer pays to fix
> your car even when you are not at fault in an accident - because you
> are paying for it, by having UM/UMI coverage.
Never really understood the concept of UM. If everybody insures
themselves instead of the other party and just let those who choose not
to purchase insurance fend for themselves.
> You are probably confusing UM/UMI with Medical Payments coverage,
> which is optional and which protects the insured for medical expenses
> that s/he incurs if there is no liability coverage held by the other
> driver which can respond. Medical Payments coverage is usually not
> volunteered by most carriers, and not held by most insureds because
> they have health insurance that covers these costs. But that is not
> the same as UM/UMI, which covers the damages that most people incur in
> an accident - damage to their own vehicle at the hands of an
> uninsured/underinsured driver. That is why your insurer pays to fix
> your car even when you are not at fault in an accident - because you
> are paying for it, by having UM/UMI coverage.
Never really understood the concept of UM. If everybody insures
themselves instead of the other party and just let those who choose not
to purchase insurance fend for themselves.
Sep 9th 2003, 2:58 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
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> You didn't read my post correctly. I used nigger to describe a black
> asshole and I used redneck to describe a white asshole. I have
> absolutely nothing against black people but I hate niggers. I have
> absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks. Hope you
> get the point!
I understand you and actualy agree. However in the PC world this stuff
doesn't fly anymore.
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absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks. Hope you get
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> You didn't read my post correctly. I used nigger to describe a black
> asshole and I used redneck to describe a white asshole. I have
> absolutely nothing against black people but I hate niggers. I have
> absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks. Hope you
> get the point!
I understand you and actualy agree. However in the PC world this stuff
doesn't fly anymore.
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Nobody wrote:<br>
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cite="[email protected]. rr.com"><!---->You
didn't read my post correctly. I used nigger to describe a black
asshole and I used redneck to describe a white asshole. I have
absolutely nothing against black people but I hate niggers. I have
absolutely nothing against white people but hate rednecks. Hope you get
the point!</blockquote>
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Sep 9th 2003, 3:44 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Rete wrote:
> Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> Rete
Hi All,
Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy
said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to
call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police
come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
Take care,
Mike
> Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> Rete
Hi All,
Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy
said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to
call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police
come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
Take care,
Mike
Sep 9th 2003, 4:11 pm
#54
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Somebody hears about driver without insurance.
Of course it must be the immigrants.
They are probably illegal anyways.
And who needs them.
I don't know them, it's there fault.
Remember 9/11 - all foreigners are assholes.
Let's shut down the borders. Yea...
Nobody in, nobody out. Problem solved.
Remember:
Almost everybody is a foreigner, almost everywhere!
I can't believe the ignorant people here.
This is a country of ****ing free speech.
I like the F- word. It makes things clear.
Get ****ing uninsured motorist coverage.
If you don't - get ****ed and loose your ass.
Why do you think they sell it here?
Because Americans are such nice people?
Leave the immigrants alone, your parents
or grand parents probably were immigrants.
And turning this into a democratic debate is retarded.
I have uninsured motorist coverage because then
I can say **** THE ****ING ****ERS.
My car gets fixed and my medical bills are paid.
And I don't have run to mama and cry the blues.
If everybody would take care of themselves,
everybody would be taken care of...
This stupid, ****ing moron not getting uninsured
because he wants to save $80 bucks a year -
I ****ING HOPE YOU GET HIT HARD
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rete wrote:
> > Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> >
> > Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> >
> > Rete
> Hi All,
> Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy
> said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to
> call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police
> come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
> Take care,
> Mike
Of course it must be the immigrants.
They are probably illegal anyways.
And who needs them.
I don't know them, it's there fault.
Remember 9/11 - all foreigners are assholes.
Let's shut down the borders. Yea...
Nobody in, nobody out. Problem solved.
Remember:
Almost everybody is a foreigner, almost everywhere!
I can't believe the ignorant people here.
This is a country of ****ing free speech.
I like the F- word. It makes things clear.
Get ****ing uninsured motorist coverage.
If you don't - get ****ed and loose your ass.
Why do you think they sell it here?
Because Americans are such nice people?
Leave the immigrants alone, your parents
or grand parents probably were immigrants.
And turning this into a democratic debate is retarded.
I have uninsured motorist coverage because then
I can say **** THE ****ING ****ERS.
My car gets fixed and my medical bills are paid.
And I don't have run to mama and cry the blues.
If everybody would take care of themselves,
everybody would be taken care of...
This stupid, ****ing moron not getting uninsured
because he wants to save $80 bucks a year -
I ****ING HOPE YOU GET HIT HARD
"Michael D. Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rete wrote:
> > Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> >
> > Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> >
> > Rete
> Hi All,
> Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy
> said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to
> call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police
> come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
> Take care,
> Mike
Sep 9th 2003, 4:41 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Originally posted by Michael D. Young
Rete wrote:
> Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> Rete
Hi All,
Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
Take care,
Mike
Rete wrote:
> Yes there is an Edit Ignore List in your options
> Unfortunately, I can't ban usenet posters ;-(
> Rete
Hi All,
Thank God for that too. I didn't agree with about anything that guy said, but he was only using the "N" word to make a point. It's OK to call white men rednecks or white people white trash, but the PC police come raining down on you if you call the black trash the "N" word.
Take care,
Mike
My vehement reaction to this is not about me being "PC", and frankly I find the term PC to be very self-serving and never used by anyone who has ever actually been victimized by this type of behavior. IMO PC is a backlash conservative term used since the Reagan era to silence anyone who demands a certain level of civility and respect from majoritarian people when peoples of different ethnicities, races and cultures are discussing difficult subjects. IMO my original point remains -- if you cannot make an argument without using derogatory terms, none of which has any demonstrated value except as a personal insult to people -- it's better not to argue at all.
All IMO and YMMV of course.
Last edited by Dekka's Angel; Sep 9th 2003 at 4:48 pm.
Sep 9th 2003, 4:51 pm
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Originally posted by doctor scrumpy
Well you know where to sneak Leighton into the country then Laura. That heavily defended rusting fence on the beach lol
7 weeks and counting almost for u 2 ?
Well you know where to sneak Leighton into the country then Laura. That heavily defended rusting fence on the beach lol
7 weeks and counting almost for u 2 ?
Sep 9th 2003, 5:05 pm
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Re: First Licenses, then Insurance :)
Originally posted by Dekka's Angel
You are incorrect. The requirement that each auto insurance policy carry UM/UMI insurance in limits equal to or in excess of their liability limits is mandatory. See Insurance Code section 11580.2.
You are probably confusing UM/UMI with Medical Payments coverage, which is optional and which protects the insured for medical expenses that s/he incurs if there is no liability coverage held by the other driver which can respond. Medical Payments coverage is usually not volunteered by most carriers, and not held by most insureds because they have health insurance that covers these costs. But that is not the same as UM/UMI, which covers the damages that most people incur in an accident - damage to their own vehicle at the hands of an uninsured/underinsured driver. That is why your insurer pays to fix your car even when you are not at fault in an accident - because you are paying for it, by having UM/UMI coverage.
PS. Comprehensive and Collision coverage is also not mandatory. It is as a practical matter because no lienholder will finance a vehicle without it since their security (the car) could be lost. But the law absolutely does not require either comp or collision coverage, and many people who do not have car loans are self-insured for both of these. Particularly with older cars.
BTW I live in California too. And until 1999, better than 1/3 of my legal work involved Proposition 103 and insurance coverage matters on behalf of a major insurance conglomerate. So, as embarassed as I am to admit it, this is something I know like the back of my hand because I was once an insurance company hired gun
You are incorrect. The requirement that each auto insurance policy carry UM/UMI insurance in limits equal to or in excess of their liability limits is mandatory. See Insurance Code section 11580.2.
You are probably confusing UM/UMI with Medical Payments coverage, which is optional and which protects the insured for medical expenses that s/he incurs if there is no liability coverage held by the other driver which can respond. Medical Payments coverage is usually not volunteered by most carriers, and not held by most insureds because they have health insurance that covers these costs. But that is not the same as UM/UMI, which covers the damages that most people incur in an accident - damage to their own vehicle at the hands of an uninsured/underinsured driver. That is why your insurer pays to fix your car even when you are not at fault in an accident - because you are paying for it, by having UM/UMI coverage.
PS. Comprehensive and Collision coverage is also not mandatory. It is as a practical matter because no lienholder will finance a vehicle without it since their security (the car) could be lost. But the law absolutely does not require either comp or collision coverage, and many people who do not have car loans are self-insured for both of these. Particularly with older cars.
BTW I live in California too. And until 1999, better than 1/3 of my legal work involved Proposition 103 and insurance coverage matters on behalf of a major insurance conglomerate. So, as embarassed as I am to admit it, this is something I know like the back of my hand because I was once an insurance company hired gun
Also, when I was first insuraning my car (old nissan) with AAA I had rec'd a quote for just liability only. Then my insurance agent friend (State Farm) told me to have them add uninsured motorist coverage. If I had not had that added I would have only liability only on the car.
Now, if the car is being financed / leased than you do need full coverage...
Laura
Last edited by BeachBunny; Sep 9th 2003 at 5:08 pm.
Sep 9th 2003, 5:14 pm
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Re: First Licenses, then Insurance :)
Originally posted by BeachBunny
DA: I have to DISAGREE with you as well. I happened to have just had an uninsured motorist conversation with my company's insurance agent (a Farmer's policy).. we do not have it on our vans. Our insurance is pretty expensive, however, to help lower it we don't have the uninsured motorist because as employees we can use worker's comp if there is an accident w/ a motorist that isn't insured.
Also, when I was first insuraning my car (old nissan) with AAA I had rec'd a quote for just liability only. Then my insurance agent friend (State Farm) told me to have them add uninsured motorist coverage. If I had not had that added I would have only liability only on the car.
Now, if the car is being financed / leased than you do need full coverage...
Laura
DA: I have to DISAGREE with you as well. I happened to have just had an uninsured motorist conversation with my company's insurance agent (a Farmer's policy).. we do not have it on our vans. Our insurance is pretty expensive, however, to help lower it we don't have the uninsured motorist because as employees we can use worker's comp if there is an accident w/ a motorist that isn't insured.
Also, when I was first insuraning my car (old nissan) with AAA I had rec'd a quote for just liability only. Then my insurance agent friend (State Farm) told me to have them add uninsured motorist coverage. If I had not had that added I would have only liability only on the car.
Now, if the car is being financed / leased than you do need full coverage...
Laura
On the other hand, my former client would have died before it let that happen, having been sued oodles of times after various waivers of coverage that turned out not to be waivers when their client had a loss and wanted to collect, which is probably why I was so hard and fast in my recollection. Without basis, it turns out, in this case.
My apologies.
Sep 9th 2003, 5:37 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
This nebraska deal is bullshit
"trentonramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Last nights Democratic Presidential debate included talk of an Amnesty
> for all illegal aliens in the U.S., especially hispanic aliens, almost
> all agreed that an Amnesty should be granted for being in the US for 5
> years not getting into trouble with the law and having worked for two
> years ( illegally I guess) should be eligible for permanent
> status.....It would be good for the counrty remarked John F Kerry D MA.
> How about the thousands and thousands of people waiting for family based
> visas for months and years using the legal and proper system of filing
> with the US for status and yet still having to wait and wait and
> wait.....with out answers?
> This is ubelievable coming to the US illegally then being rewarded by
> prize of permanent status
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
"trentonramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Last nights Democratic Presidential debate included talk of an Amnesty
> for all illegal aliens in the U.S., especially hispanic aliens, almost
> all agreed that an Amnesty should be granted for being in the US for 5
> years not getting into trouble with the law and having worked for two
> years ( illegally I guess) should be eligible for permanent
> status.....It would be good for the counrty remarked John F Kerry D MA.
> How about the thousands and thousands of people waiting for family based
> visas for months and years using the legal and proper system of filing
> with the US for status and yet still having to wait and wait and
> wait.....with out answers?
> This is ubelievable coming to the US illegally then being rewarded by
> prize of permanent status
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 9th 2003, 6:10 pm
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Re: Democratic debate on immigration
Dekka's Angel wrote:
> Originally posted by Nobody
>> I used nigger to describe a black asshole and I used redneck to
>> describe a white asshole. I have absolutely nothing against black
>> people but I hate niggers. I have absolutely nothing against white
>> people but hate rednecks.
>> Hope you get the point!
> I do.
> Your point is that you will use offensive, racist fighting words when
> you see fit, no matter whether it is necessary to make a cogent
> argument, which clearly you are incapable of doing without them.
> My point is that makes you a dick. A racist dick at that.
See what I mean.
> Originally posted by Nobody
>> I used nigger to describe a black asshole and I used redneck to
>> describe a white asshole. I have absolutely nothing against black
>> people but I hate niggers. I have absolutely nothing against white
>> people but hate rednecks.
>> Hope you get the point!
> I do.
> Your point is that you will use offensive, racist fighting words when
> you see fit, no matter whether it is necessary to make a cogent
> argument, which clearly you are incapable of doing without them.
> My point is that makes you a dick. A racist dick at that.
See what I mean.
