Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
In my opinion it's a collection of bigotry made to look like science. But here's Wikipedia's take: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnos...ntal_Disorders
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
I believe the practice of masochism is indeed still in there. Perhaps us Americans will make it into the 21st century in the next few decades if we can shut the bloody soccer moms up.
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If it is, I'm screwed if I finally do file my N400!
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Another poster put this link up in another thread, and Mr. F said it was a good one. So I thought it merited inclusion in this thread, for easier reference.
List of what is/is not to be considered CIMT
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86942.pdf
List of what is/is not to be considered CIMT
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86942.pdf
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Most of this talks about convictions but the question also mentions arrests. What if you had been arrested and released a few hours later without conviction or record?
My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
Most of this talks about convictions but the question also mentions arrests. What if you had been arrested and released a few hours later without conviction or record?
My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov/upl.../I-94_back.jpg
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Whats the difference between aggravated drunk driving and simple drunk driving? thanks
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ok im sorry got it now.
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov/upl.../I-94_back.jpg
Thank you!
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov/upl.../I-94_back.jpg
Thank you!
Last edited by abc12345; Nov 7th 2008 at 1:05 am.
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
ok im sorry got it now.
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov/upl.../I-94_back.jpg
Thank you!
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...
http://amsterdam.usconsulate.gov/upl.../I-94_back.jpg
Thank you!
You pose an excellent question. However, it is one that can't be answered easily in an on-line forum.
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
The specific elements vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I would call it "drunk driving with an additional factor." Was there injury to person or property? Are there prior DUI/DWI convictions?
I recall a case where the DUI also included a driving without a license, the license having been suspended as part of a prior DUI conviction. If memory serves me correct, the moral turpitude arose from driving to the bar to drink despite the earlier conviction.
By way of some "CYA" language: Although I am responding to your question, I am not answering it. This response is general in nature and is in no way intended as legal advice. In fact, this response is not legal advice in any way.
Further note: In an effort to avoid being "obscure" and to avoid terms that may not be understood I am posting a link for assistance of the reader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_your_ass
Last edited by Folinskyinla; Nov 7th 2008 at 4:42 pm. Reason: Add a defintion for clarity. Sorry for use of jargon. :(
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Re: Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude, a broad overview
1,5 years ago i had an car accident, due to drunk driving. I was 18 years old at that point.
I was found guilty of: careless driving, absconding after a traffic accident, bodily injury caused by negligence, affecting a criminal offense.
I was sentenced to 15 months of drivers license removal, and had to take a traffic course. Juvenile Law was applied. Some of the maximum sentences are over one year of imprisonment.
What happend was that I was drunk and drove with a friend in my fathers car. Then I hit a Lamp by the street, my friend was very lightly injured. Due to my drunkness i said that another person was driving not me. when i had sobered up, I called the police and told them that i was the one who drove.
There were no other charges before or after this incident.
I was found guilty of: careless driving, absconding after a traffic accident, bodily injury caused by negligence, affecting a criminal offense.
I was sentenced to 15 months of drivers license removal, and had to take a traffic course. Juvenile Law was applied. Some of the maximum sentences are over one year of imprisonment.
What happend was that I was drunk and drove with a friend in my fathers car. Then I hit a Lamp by the street, my friend was very lightly injured. Due to my drunkness i said that another person was driving not me. when i had sobered up, I called the police and told them that i was the one who drove.
There were no other charges before or after this incident.
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Further note: In an effort to avoid being "obscure" and to avoid terms that may not be understood I am posting a link for assistance of the reader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_your_ass
thank you for the edit.