A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Oct 3rd 2010, 12:46 pm
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A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
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I make a couple of visits a year to the U.S never had a problem I always transit fly through Chicago or Boston to NYC. A couple of american friends of mine from Uni live over there. Never had a problem I am not really sweating it. At least I wasn't until I read the thread from the sales manager guy about him being put in jail
. That has scared the crap out of me. Thanks for that one fellas! 
All these threads have got me thinking about flying out of Dublin or Shannon to NYC. I don't fancy going to rikers or Cook County lockup or whatever. Does anyone know what flights clear from Dublin or Shannon, I can't make heads or tails of the shannon departures board. That seems to be quite a busy airport.
ty in advance.
I make a couple of visits a year to the U.S never had a problem I always transit fly through Chicago or Boston to NYC. A couple of american friends of mine from Uni live over there. Never had a problem I am not really sweating it. At least I wasn't until I read the thread from the sales manager guy about him being put in jail
. That has scared the crap out of me. Thanks for that one fellas! All these threads have got me thinking about flying out of Dublin or Shannon to NYC. I don't fancy going to rikers or Cook County lockup or whatever. Does anyone know what flights clear from Dublin or Shannon, I can't make heads or tails of the shannon departures board. That seems to be quite a busy airport.
ty in advance.
Oct 3rd 2010, 12:51 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
There's absolutely no need of that, it would probably just be a waste of money. The user who got refused entry and put in jail overnight had been abusing the VWP and was about to marry a US citizen.
Oct 3rd 2010, 12:52 pm
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Why did they put him in jail, why not hold him in the airport detention area? That is risky isn't. Surely if he got killed or raped in jail woudn't the government be on the hook for a major lawsuit with his family? The being put in jail is what has me concerned with my travel
Oct 3rd 2010, 1:02 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
I think the flight Liverpool or Blackpool Dublin is probably same the amount as the train and the airport shuttle to heathrow it won't really hit me hard on the money. I am english it is not a massive cost to me like flying from Germany or Spain like the other thread guy on the B2 refusal might do. I have a cousin or 2 down in someplace outside Dublin like 10 miles outside near the airport I think. Nace I think the place is called
Would they make something of that of an english guy going via dublin or shannon?
Oct 3rd 2010, 1:08 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
A lot of flights appear Depart from Shannon but I can't find them on the BA American airlines sites. The departure board shows BA and Aer Lingus and AA flights flying Shannon NYC every day or every other day. Do you get flights stopping at Shannon to do immigration before continuing their journey? I am still looking the departure board and I can't make head or tail of it. Anybody? 
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Oct 3rd 2010, 1:19 pm
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
I read somewhere that there are up to, if I remember correctly, 60 or 80 different statutes ruling why a foreign visitor to the US might be denied entry, according to the US immigration law which basically goes back to 1952 with a number of later amendments.
On top of that any CBP agent at the POE has in fact such vast, almost unfettered personal latitude that he/she in practice could turn around a visiting "alien" just because the agent might be in a foul mood for whatever reason. When you are travelling on the VWP you are in fact signing away any rights for a judicial hearing if denied entry.
Not that it would make much practical difference anyway, since you would most likely have to face a lengthy wait for your case to be heard by a judge, while in the meantime being holed up in any kind of detention facility.
Sorry to sound so negative, but this is, sadly, the gist of the matter.
Oct 3rd 2010, 2:22 pm
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
You don't appear to have the correct facts about the US immigration system. People who travel on a visa and get denied for the same thing are just as unlikely to see a judge. The traveler with a visa would be subject to a bar for 5 years under expedited removal or more where a VWP traveler will just need a visa and possibly a waiver following the denial.
In fact, a VWP passenger is actually more likely to see an immigration judge than someone with a visa who is denied entry for the same ground of inadmissibility.
Someone who seeks entry on the VWP and claims asylum goes straight to the judge for a limited review. Someone who seeks entry with a visa and claims asylum goes through a screening by an asylum officer and may not get to see the judge depending on the determination made by the asylum officer.
Being detained at entry is always a possibility for international travel regardless of what country it is. Does the UK put up their immigration detainees at the Hilton or the Four Seasons?
Also, the claim that any rogue border guard can refuse people is spurious at best. There are levels of approval needed to deny entry. The officer in charge has to approve a VWP refusal.
In fact, a VWP passenger is actually more likely to see an immigration judge than someone with a visa who is denied entry for the same ground of inadmissibility.
Someone who seeks entry on the VWP and claims asylum goes straight to the judge for a limited review. Someone who seeks entry with a visa and claims asylum goes through a screening by an asylum officer and may not get to see the judge depending on the determination made by the asylum officer.
Being detained at entry is always a possibility for international travel regardless of what country it is. Does the UK put up their immigration detainees at the Hilton or the Four Seasons?
Also, the claim that any rogue border guard can refuse people is spurious at best. There are levels of approval needed to deny entry. The officer in charge has to approve a VWP refusal.
A guy could clock up a whole list of charges couldn't he? Resisting arrest if he has to be taken to the ground and cuffed by the boarder guards probably get a taser or 2 as well right? Attempted murder if a rogue boarder agents claims I reached for his gun?
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Oct 3rd 2010, 2:28 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
A lot of flights appear Depart from Shannon but I can't find them on the BA American airlines sites. The departure board shows BA and Aer Lingus and AA flights flying Shannon NYC every day or every other day. Do you get flights stopping at Shannon to do immigration before continuing their journey? I am still looking the departure board and I can't make head or tail of it. Anybody?
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Oct 3rd 2010, 2:34 pm
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
No we have actual immigration detention centres in this country like yarlswood for example. No one goes to Strangeways from Manchester Airport to my knowledge. The jail's aren't the same in England gang rape and violence is rife in American jails and it's all racist gangs over there isn't nazis and bloods and all that I have seen lock up on MSNBC. What would have happened if he had been killed in jail the government would be hit with a massive law suit right?
A guy could clock up a whole list of charges couldn't he? Resisting arrest if he has to be taken to the ground and cuffed by the boarder guards probably get a taser or 2 as well right? Attempted murder if a rogue boarder agents claims I reached for his gun?
A guy could clock up a whole list of charges couldn't he? Resisting arrest if he has to be taken to the ground and cuffed by the boarder guards probably get a taser or 2 as well right? Attempted murder if a rogue boarder agents claims I reached for his gun?
Oct 3rd 2010, 2:44 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
I think your a fruit loop ...
Oct 3rd 2010, 2:48 pm
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
I think with my immigration history I think I might be 2 or 3 entries away from being denied. They seem to ask more questions every visit. It used to be question what are you doing here. I answer visiting friend they say very good enjoy stamp and away. Now it how did you meet them, is this your first visit to the U.S were are you staying. And with these couple of threads I think Dublin would give me more piece of mind. That being said will they make something out of me going through Dublin and not flying directly?
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