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A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Quid Pro Quo
I make a couple of visits a year to the U.S never had a problem I always transit fly through Chicago or Boston to NYC. A couple of american friends of mine from Uni live over there. Never had a problem I am not really sweating it. At least I wasn't until I read the thread from the sales manager guy about him being put in jail :ohmy:. That has scared the crap out of me. Thanks for that one fellas! :D All these threads have got me thinking about flying out of Dublin or Shannon to NYC. I don't fancy going to rikers or Cook County lockup or whatever. Does anyone know what flights clear from Dublin or Shannon, I can't make heads or tails of the shannon departures board. That seems to be quite a busy airport. ty in advance. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
There's absolutely no need of that, it would probably just be a waste of money. The user who got refused entry and put in jail overnight had been abusing the VWP and was about to marry a US citizen.
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Why did they put him in jail, why not hold him in the airport detention area? That is risky isn't. Surely if he got killed or raped in jail woudn't the government be on the hook for a major lawsuit with his family? The being put in jail is what has me concerned with my travel
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8892916)
Why did they put him in jail, why not hold him in the airport detention area?
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Marocco
(Post 8892925)
Probably because there is no "airport detention area".
It all certainly adds to any unintended "excitement" for the unsuspecting US-bond traveller...:thumbdown: |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Marocco
(Post 8892913)
There's absolutely no need of that, it would probably just be a waste of money. The user who got refused entry and put in jail overnight had been abusing the VWP and was about to marry a US citizen.
I think the flight Liverpool or Blackpool Dublin is probably same the amount as the train and the airport shuttle to heathrow it won't really hit me hard on the money. I am english it is not a massive cost to me like flying from Germany or Spain like the other thread guy on the B2 refusal might do. I have a cousin or 2 down in someplace outside Dublin like 10 miles outside near the airport I think. Nace I think the place is called Would they make something of that of an english guy going via dublin or shannon? |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Marocco
(Post 8892925)
Probably because there is no "airport detention area".
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
A lot of flights appear Depart from Shannon but I can't find them on the BA American airlines sites. The departure board shows BA and Aer Lingus and AA flights flying Shannon NYC every day or every other day. Do you get flights stopping at Shannon to do immigration before continuing their journey? I am still looking the departure board and I can't make head or tail of it. Anybody? :)
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8892947)
Why not? Are you not taking a hell of risk putting a visiting tourist in jail even for one or 2 nights?
I read somewhere that there are up to, if I remember correctly, 60 or 80 different statutes ruling why a foreign visitor to the US might be denied entry, according to the US immigration law which basically goes back to 1952 with a number of later amendments. On top of that any CBP agent at the POE has in fact such vast, almost unfettered personal latitude that he/she in practice could turn around a visiting "alien" just because the agent might be in a foul mood for whatever reason. When you are travelling on the VWP you are in fact signing away any rights for a judicial hearing if denied entry. Not that it would make much practical difference anyway, since you would most likely have to face a lengthy wait for your case to be heard by a judge, while in the meantime being holed up in any kind of detention facility. Sorry to sound so negative, but this is, sadly, the gist of the matter.:( |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by crg
(Post 8892996)
You don't appear to have the correct facts about the US immigration system. People who travel on a visa and get denied for the same thing are just as unlikely to see a judge. The traveler with a visa would be subject to a bar for 5 years under expedited removal or more where a VWP traveler will just need a visa and possibly a waiver following the denial.
In fact, a VWP passenger is actually more likely to see an immigration judge than someone with a visa who is denied entry for the same ground of inadmissibility. Someone who seeks entry on the VWP and claims asylum goes straight to the judge for a limited review. Someone who seeks entry with a visa and claims asylum goes through a screening by an asylum officer and may not get to see the judge depending on the determination made by the asylum officer. Being detained at entry is always a possibility for international travel regardless of what country it is. Does the UK put up their immigration detainees at the Hilton or the Four Seasons? :) Also, the claim that any rogue border guard can refuse people is spurious at best. There are levels of approval needed to deny entry. The officer in charge has to approve a VWP refusal. A guy could clock up a whole list of charges couldn't he? Resisting arrest if he has to be taken to the ground and cuffed by the boarder guards probably get a taser or 2 as well right? Attempted murder if a rogue boarder agents claims I reached for his gun? |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8892952)
A lot of flights appear Depart from Shannon but I can't find them on the BA American airlines sites. The departure board shows BA and Aer Lingus and AA flights flying Shannon NYC every day or every other day. Do you get flights stopping at Shannon to do immigration before continuing their journey? I am still looking the departure board and I can't make head or tail of it. Anybody? :)
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8893034)
No we have actual immigration detention centres in this country like yarlswood for example. No one goes to Strangeways from Manchester Airport to my knowledge. The jail's aren't the same in England gang rape and violence is rife in American jails and it's all racist gangs over there isn't nazis and bloods and all that I have seen lock up on MSNBC. What would have happened if he had been killed in jail the government would be hit with a massive law suit right?
A guy could clock up a whole list of charges couldn't he? Resisting arrest if he has to be taken to the ground and cuffed by the boarder guards probably get a taser or 2 as well right? Attempted murder if a rogue boarder agents claims I reached for his gun? |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
I think your a fruit loop ...
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Ray
(Post 8893058)
I think your a fruit loop ...
I think with my immigration history I think I might be 2 or 3 entries away from being denied. They seem to ask more questions every visit. It used to be question what are you doing here. I answer visiting friend they say very good enjoy stamp and away. Now it how did you meet them, is this your first visit to the U.S were are you staying. And with these couple of threads I think Dublin would give me more piece of mind. That being said will they make something out of me going through Dublin and not flying directly? |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 8893048)
If it was on MSNBC, enough said.
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8892942)
I read the post. It is a risky move though putting him in jail like I asked in his thread something could have happened to the guy They seem to ask me slightly more questions every time like they are trying to catch me in a lie or something? I was asked is this your first visit to the U.S and it clearly wasn't my first visit so what was the point of that?
Your knowledge of the jail system in the US is not entirely untrue but you are equating programs that show maximum security prisons which is not the place that sales manager or any denied entry visitor would have been housed. For instance, NYC airports do have detention centers inside of the airport. If they were full, I rather doubt that you would be sent to Rikers for the night. The sales manager apparently was held in a small local jail and his roommate for the evening was an intoxicated prisoner who was more apt to choke on his vomit than rape his cellmate. Would they make something of that of an english guy going via dublin or shannon? |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
The US has dedicated immigration detention centers too. When they are full, they use other approved facilities like local jails. Each facility must be certified by the federal government before taking immigration detainess.
Don't confuse a jail setting with a prison setting. Most people in jail are in for the short term until they can post bond or appear in court. Many are in for drinking and driving, drugs, probation violations and other offenses. You're greatly overestimating the likelyhood of a *huge* law suit. The federal government has sovereign immunity. The government may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit. The federal government does allow people to sue them under the Federal Tort Claims Act. The types of suit are limited. The suits are tried before a judge, but without a jury. They do not pay punitive damages either. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Banks21
(Post 8892898)
Quid Pro Quo
I make a couple of visits a year to the U.S never had a problem I always transit fly through Chicago or Boston to NYC. A couple of american friends of mine from Uni live over there. Never had a problem I am not really sweating it. At least I wasn't until I read the thread from the sales manager guy about him being put in jail :ohmy:. That has scared the crap out of me. Thanks for that one fellas! :D All these threads have got me thinking about flying out of Dublin or Shannon to NYC. I don't fancy going to rikers or Cook County lockup or whatever. Does anyone know what flights clear from Dublin or Shannon, I can't make heads or tails of the shannon departures board. That seems to be quite a busy airport. ty in advance. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Rete
(Post 8893079)
Take a deep breath and relax. Something could have happened at the airport detention center. If you want to be paranoid about it, you need only recall the case of the American who was detained because of intoxicated behavior at the airport. She died when she attempted to contort herself getting through her chain and virtually hung herself.
Your knowledge of the jail system in the US is not entirely untrue but you are equating programs that show maximum security prisons which is not the place that sales manager or any denied entry visitor would have been housed. For instance, NYC airports do have detention centers inside of the airport. If they were full, I rather doubt that you would be sent to Rikers for the night. The sales manager apparently was held in a small local jail and his roommate for the evening was an intoxicated prisoner who was more apt to choke on his vomit than rape his cellmate. So you don't think they will make any noise about me going through immigration at Dublin as a British Citizen? I wouldn't tell the offical I was worried about getting jailed up for the night in America it does seem better to preclear the immigration at Dublin and not worrying about getting a connecting flight or whatever they would laugh at you. I do however feel that there "might" be a refusal on the horizon for me in the not distant future which is the main reason for wishing to travel through Dublin. It would be a lot easier getting turned back at Dublin than in Chicago. I could be completey off base about getting turned back though |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
crg,
With all due respect, I believe that you are putting something of a gloss on the way the system actually works.;) Any US visitor should proceed with the greatest caution when attempting to enter the US and also while being there, just as SallyRedux pointed out in her recent post. |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 8893085)
I do remember a travel guide book to the USA we had advising extreme caution with any possibly illegal act while on vacation in the USA, as a night in the cells carried a statistical risk of being murdered.
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Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Marocco
(Post 8893132)
Probably safer than going out in London after 11pm...
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Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Why would they care which airport you use on your flight to the US.
If you are concerned that you are abusing the VWP, then stop abusing it. US employees do not have the ability to make week long pleasure trips several times a year. Vacation here is usually two weeks to start. Which is one of the reasons by the agent will question multiple visits per year. If you are here to visit with a love interest, then you have a real reason to be concerned. If you are only coming in to have a boys' vacation of one nighters and drink to you drop sessions, then curtail your visits and do the same in the UK instead. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Banks21,
While noboby could ever foresee what might or might not happen at the US CBP inspection at the POE, I seriously think that you are being wise in considering departing from Dublin or Shannon. Being British you are practically "next door", after all... Going through the US inspection process on Irish soil would save you worrying about the nature of the "reception" on the other side of the Pond, with relatively little extra cost to be paid compared to departing from Heathrow or Gatwick. Very best of luck! |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Here you go
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...rt-death_N.htm Look up on google the many deaths that have occurred at detention centers at airpots. |
Re: Denied entry to the USA - why??
Originally Posted by Lissbovavd
(Post 8893127)
crg,
With all due respect, I believe that you are putting something of a gloss on the way the system actually works.;) Any US visitor should proceed with the greatest caution when attempting to enter the US and also while being there, just as SallyRedux pointed out in her recent post. Immigration detention centers had 107 deaths over a 6 year 3 month period. A lot were from things like kidney failure, smoking related diseases, and heart disease. 15 were suicides. Here is a lopsided, politically slanted web site to support my point :) : http://www.cis.org/feere/DetentionDeaths Here is another snippet: "In 2005, the mortality rate for ICE detainees was 7.5 per 100,000, compared with 540.5 among inmates at U.S. prisons and jails...... ICE’s new oversight procedures have helped decrease the mortality rate even further, to 4.3 in 2007" http://www.ice.gov/pi/detention_health_care.htm As a side note, England and Wales jails have 90+ suicides each and every year. I don't currently reside in the US, but I avoid commiting crimes in the commonwealth country in which I currently reside. The jails/prison here make Riker's Island look like a 5-star resort. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Rete
(Post 8893210)
Why would they care which airport you use on your flight to the US.
If you are concerned that you are abusing the VWP, then stop abusing it. US employees do not have the ability to make week long pleasure trips several times a year. Vacation here is usually two weeks to start. Which is one of the reasons by the agent will question multiple visits per year. If you are here to visit with a love interest, then you have a real reason to be concerned. If you are only coming in to have a boys' vacation of one nighters and drink to you drop sessions, then curtail your visits and do the same in the UK instead. |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
Originally Posted by Lissbovavd
(Post 8893211)
Banks21,
While noboby could ever foresee what might or might not happen at the US CBP inspection at the POE, I seriously think that you are being wise in considering departing from Dublin or Shannon. Being British you are practically "next door", after all... Going through the US inspection process on Irish soil would save you worrying about the nature of the "reception" on the other side of the Pond, with relatively little extra cost to be paid compared to departing from Heathrow or Gatwick. Very best of luck! |
Re: A couple of threads got me scared! Doing immigration at Shannon/Dublin.
The OP is a wind up merchant, multiple registration troll who loves us all very much.
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