Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > USA > US Immigration, Citizenship and Visas
Reload this Page >

Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Thread Tools
 
Old Sep 13th 2012, 5:54 pm
  #1  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 3
Element is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Hi, after reading some old topics here it's left me with a bit of concern over my upcoming trip to the US from the 14th dec - 14th jan. Anyway here's the general info:

21 year old male, met girlfriend online in October 2010, flew to see her for a week in June 2011, again at the end of August 2011 for 13 days. Next visit was for 13 days during April 2012, I then visited again for 3 weeks this time in June 2012, and once more recently for 12 days at the end of August 2012.

Each time I go there I obviously get questioned a bit about my motives etc but there's never been any problems and I've never gotten a secondary interrogation once.

Although the last 2 times I've visited, I've been getting a few more questions. For example in June I was asked to produce my return plane ticket on top of the normal questions of how much money I was carrying, what my occupation is, why I'm here, how did I meet my girlfriend etc etc.

This time in August I was again questioned for a little longer than I was in June and the questioning ended with the comment "Maybe you should look into a tourist visa if you're planning to spend more time in the US", I replied with "I'm visiting again over Christmas/New year for 4 weeks, will that be fine?" to which he replied "There should be no problems" and that was it, he stamped my passport and let me through.

Now after reading some old topics here I'm very worried about being refused entry in December because of the amount of visits in a short period of time. I calculated that if I do get entry in December then from the 1st January 2012 - 1st January 2013 I will have spent around 62 days inside of the US. Although I did hear that generally (not always obviously as it all depends on whether the agent wishes to let you in or not at that particular time) that you should be ok providing you stay out of the US for aslong as you stay in it, so if I've been out of the US for 3 and a half months before my next visit do you think there should be many problems?

Also I'm a bit worried on the strong ties bit, I live with my grandmother at home and I'm currently unemployed right now due to some medical problems (claiming employment and support allowance) so I can't get a letter from an employer stating that I'll be back to work. The only thing I can produce is a return ticket and my word that I shall not overstay. I'm hoping that me already coming and going 5 times without any problems or overstays will have some weight but I'm not sure it will. Bank statements won't be of any use if I'm not employed, correct? And internet bill for example won't be of any use? Obviously the utility bills aren't in my name cause I'm not the home owner here.

Sorry for the long winded post, thanks in advance for any information.

Also is there anything else besides what I listed that could help me prove my ties to my home country? Or is there anything I could do that could prove that I'm not there to stay or work (for example pictures of us together from the different trips, planning to spend some time in Boston with her over the period too so would proof of hotel reversation and bus tickets be of any use to prove I'm doing touristy stuff etc?)

Last edited by Element; Sep 13th 2012 at 6:02 pm.
Element is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 6:27 pm
  #2  
BE Enthusiast
 
captainsensible's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA!
Posts: 443
captainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond reputecaptainsensible has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Stop worrying - you'll be fine. As you say, you have spent more time outside the US than in it so nothing to worry about there. And you would be probably be much more unlikely to get a tourist visa as you're eligible for ESTA/VWP.

Presumably your ESTA is still valid as well?
captainsensible is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 6:29 pm
  #3  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 3
Element is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by captainsensible
Stop worrying - you'll be fine. As you say, you have spent more time outside the US than in it so nothing to worry about there. And you would be probably be much more unlikely to get a tourist visa as you're eligible for ESTA/VWP.

Presumably your ESTA is still valid as well?
ESTA valid until 2014.
Element is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 6:31 pm
  #4  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 4,913
md95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

I don't expect that you will have any problems although, of course, it is impossible to be certain.

The single most important thing that you can do is to try not to worry about it.

Ultimately the decision on whether or not to admit you under the VWP comes down to credibility - if you give satisfactory answers to the questions that you are asked and they believe you then you will not have a problem - if, for any reason, they don't believe you then producing a few more pieces of paper is unlikely to make a difference. The more nervous or stressed about it that you are the more likely it is that you may *appear* to them to be untruthful or evasive.
md95065 is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 6:47 pm
  #5  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 3
Element is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by md95065
I don't expect that you will have any problems although, of course, it is impossible to be certain.

The single most important thing that you can do is to try not to worry about it.

Ultimately the decision on whether or not to admit you under the VWP comes down to credibility - if you give satisfactory answers to the questions that you are asked and they believe you then you will not have a problem - if, for any reason, they don't believe you then producing a few more pieces of paper is unlikely to make a difference. The more nervous or stressed about it that you are the more likely it is that you may *appear* to them to be untruthful or evasive.
Yep so far I've just been 100% upfront and honest, even the first time I went there I could have just said I'm on vacation or something but I told the agent that I was here to visit my girlfriend that I met online, I will continue to just be truthful and hope for the best. Thanks for the replies
Element is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 7:49 pm
  #6  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 559
zerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond reputezerlesen has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by Element
This time in August I was again questioned for a little longer than I was in June and the questioning ended with the comment "Maybe you should look into a tourist visa if you're planning to spend more time in the US",
Just in case it needs to be pointed out, this is pretty much the worst advice ever.
zerlesen is offline  
Old Sep 13th 2012, 11:43 pm
  #7  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Location: Maryland (via Belfast, Manchester, Toronto and London)
Posts: 4,802
MarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond reputeMarylandNed has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by zerlesen
Originally Posted by Element
This time in August I was again questioned for a little longer than I was in June and the questioning ended with the comment "Maybe you should look into a tourist visa if you're planning to spend more time in the US"
Just in case it needs to be pointed out, this is pretty much the worst advice ever.
Agreed. It right up there with "Can you stick your tongue on this wire? I want to know if it's live."
MarylandNed is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2012, 11:32 pm
  #8  
Forum Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 30
johnboy11 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Agreed. Bad advice to apply for a visa. I tried for a B2 and got denied. Best thing to do is stick with ESTA. My advice to anyone trying for a B2 is do not bother.
johnboy11 is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2012, 2:06 pm
  #9  
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 16
numbchuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

no offence but how does someone on benefits afford multiple trips to the US? are the benefits so lucrative in the UK. must be fools to bother working there if such!
numbchuck is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2012, 2:57 pm
  #10  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 4,891
materialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by numbchuck
no offence but how does someone on benefits afford multiple trips to the US? are the benefits so lucrative in the UK. must be fools to bother working there if such!
Maybe the cost of the trip is being met by family or the partner in the USA. Perhaps this person has savings? Just because someone is claiming benefits, you shouldn't automatically assume they're fleecing the taxpayer for jetting across the pond and living the life of Reilly.
materialcontroller is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2012, 6:03 pm
  #11  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Location: Boston
Posts: 707
DavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond reputeDavidLemon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Originally Posted by numbchuck
no offence but how does someone on benefits afford multiple trips to the US? are the benefits so lucrative in the UK. must be fools to bother working there if such!
Love it. You start with no offense, but then you are offensive. OP never once said that they use benefits to afford their travels. in fact the only person that has made this assumption is yourself. Stick to the subject matter and leave your own agenda at the door.
DavidLemon is offline  
Old Jan 20th 2013, 3:18 pm
  #12  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
Jerseygirl's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 88,028
Jerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond reputeJerseygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Please ignore advice from numbchuck....he is a troll giving out misleading information.
Jerseygirl is offline  
Old Jan 20th 2013, 10:02 pm
  #13  
Mouthy Yank
 
Speedwell's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,229
Speedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond reputeSpeedwell has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Chances of being denied entry on the VWP

Just to screw down the coffin lid, my husband is indeed visiting me in the US at my expense, and I'm using money from an account I established to help me meet moving expenses for an overseas transfer that didn't come off. The money he has or doesn't have is neither here nor there since we decided this was the fund we would use to defray immigration costs, and his money would be used for other things we need.
Speedwell is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.