Canadians are different
Oct 27th 2009, 8:41 pm
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Canadians are different
Evening all, it's been a while since I was last on here and I just wondered if any of the ESTA rules have eased in the past 10 months or have they become more stringent.
What I mean by this is some of you may recall my wish to go to the US next year for a two week holiday but due to the fact that I have a crime of MT it was unlikely that an ESTA application would be granted due to the fact that any application at the time would be deemed too recent to the crime taking place in 2007.
A couple of very helpful members on here advised me to try after 3 years provided no further crimes have been committed and next year, 2010 ,will be the 3 years so the reason for my post is to ask if this 3 year gap is something that the US immigration still have the door ajar on or have things changed for the worse since I was inquired on here last year?
Thanks in advance.
What I mean by this is some of you may recall my wish to go to the US next year for a two week holiday but due to the fact that I have a crime of MT it was unlikely that an ESTA application would be granted due to the fact that any application at the time would be deemed too recent to the crime taking place in 2007.
A couple of very helpful members on here advised me to try after 3 years provided no further crimes have been committed and next year, 2010 ,will be the 3 years so the reason for my post is to ask if this 3 year gap is something that the US immigration still have the door ajar on or have things changed for the worse since I was inquired on here last year?
Thanks in advance.
Oct 27th 2009, 8:55 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
If you dont have Canadian Passport you will continue to face tougher and tougher restrictions for US (ESTA is just one of the moves).Its a complete biased attitude. Mexicans are not so much respected in US as they do for Canadians.Unfortunately all countries (India,UK,Germany,France,Sweden etc.) are in other classification bucket in US laws and Canada is in elite bucket.
Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Canadians with certain criminal convictions need a waiver just like people from other countries. Canadians are often exempt from obtaining actual visas, and can apply for NAFTA work permits, but being Canadian wouldn't change much for this person. If he needs a waiver as a UK citizen, he needs a waiver as a Canadian. Canadians still need approved petitions for work visas etc.
Countries are treated differently based on economic conditions, location, visa denial rates, risk factors and reciprocal agreements.
As far as US immigration laws are concerned, the only real elite bucket belongs to US citizens.
Oct 27th 2009, 9:10 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Huh? Where do you get this stuff? Canadians with certain criminal convictions need a waiver just like people from other countries. Canadians are often exempt from obtaining actual visas, and can apply for NAFTA work permits, but being Canadian wouldn't change much for this person. If he needs a waiver as a UK citizen, he needs a waiver as a Canadian. Canadians still need approved petitions for work visas etc.
Countries are treated differently based on economic conditions, location, visa denial rates, risk factors and reciprocal agreements.
As far as US immigration laws are concerned, the only real elite bucket belongs to US citizens.
Countries are treated differently based on economic conditions, location, visa denial rates, risk factors and reciprocal agreements.
As far as US immigration laws are concerned, the only real elite bucket belongs to US citizens.
There is no ESTA for Canadians and normal Canadians get visitor stay for 6 months which is not available for any other nationality.Canadians dont need to attend visa interviews or stamping headache. The I-94 for H1B and TN visa are easily/convineantly supplied/presented on US Border to elite class.Australia and NewZealand have same economic conditions, location, visa denial rates, risk factors and reciprocal agreements (NAFTA and AUSFTA) but treatment is still different between NewZealand and Canada.
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Oct 27th 2009, 9:14 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Do you know why? It's because Canada does *not* participate in the Visa Waiver Program.
Anyone with a B-2 visa will get a 6 month stay.
Bullshit. I did - and I am a Canadian.
It must really suck to be you! You have nothing useful to add, and yet you seem to have plenty to complain about. Nothing you have said here has any value. If you're going to post rubbish... do it someplace else.
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... and normal Canadians get visitor stay for 6 months which is not available for any other nationality.
Canadians dont need to attend visa interviews or stamping headache.
The I-94 for H1B and TN visa are easily/convineantly supplied/presented on US Border to elite class.
Ian
Oct 27th 2009, 9:31 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Bermudians don't need visas and can stay for up to six months as visitors. British, French, and Netherland citizens residing in parts of the Caribbean don't need visas. Bahamians don't need visas at preclearance ports of entry. Mexicans with a border crossing card don't need an I-94 for short visits and don't even need a passport. A person from a NATO country such as Turkey can come to the US with NATO travel orders even if they're a criminal.
Prior to March of 2003, someone from dozens of countries including India who resided in Canada could travel to the US without a passport, visa, or any other identification if the guard believed them. French, Spanish, Portugese, Chinese citizens living in Canada did not enjoy the same ability.
Canadians can't participate in the Diversity Visa lottery.
Canadians get most of their breaks because of their location. It would not be practical to have the same rules for everyone.
They get breaks because it is in the interest of the US government to do so.
Prior to March of 2003, someone from dozens of countries including India who resided in Canada could travel to the US without a passport, visa, or any other identification if the guard believed them. French, Spanish, Portugese, Chinese citizens living in Canada did not enjoy the same ability.
Canadians can't participate in the Diversity Visa lottery.
Canadians get most of their breaks because of their location. It would not be practical to have the same rules for everyone.
They get breaks because it is in the interest of the US government to do so.
Oct 27th 2009, 9:36 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Do you know why? It's because Canada does *not* participate in the Visa Waiver Program.
Anyone with a B-2 visa will get a 6 month stay.
Bullshit. I did - and I am a Canadian.
It must really suck to be you! You have nothing useful to add, and yet you seem to have plenty to complain about. Nothing you have said here has any value. If you're going to post rubbish... do it someplace else.
Ian
Anyone with a B-2 visa will get a 6 month stay.
Bullshit. I did - and I am a Canadian.
It must really suck to be you! You have nothing useful to add, and yet you seem to have plenty to complain about. Nothing you have said here has any value. If you're going to post rubbish... do it someplace else.
Ian
For B2 visa (6 months stay) there is a visa procedure and interview is required.
Oct 27th 2009, 9:38 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Bermudians don't need visas and can stay for up to six months as visitors. British, French, and Netherland citizens residing in parts of the Caribbean don't need visas. Bahamians don't need visas at preclearance ports of entry. Mexicans with a border crossing card don't need an I-94 for short visits and don't even need a passport. A person from a NATO country such as Turkey can come to the US with NATO travel orders even if they're a criminal.
Prior to March of 2003, someone from dozens of countries including India who resided in Canada could travel to the US without a passport, visa, or any other identification if the guard believed them. French, Spanish, Portugese, Chinese citizens living in Canada did not enjoy the same ability.
Canadians can't participate in the Diversity Visa lottery.
Canadians get most of their breaks because of their location. It would not be practical to have the same rules for everyone.
They get breaks because it is in the interest of the US government to do so.
Prior to March of 2003, someone from dozens of countries including India who resided in Canada could travel to the US without a passport, visa, or any other identification if the guard believed them. French, Spanish, Portugese, Chinese citizens living in Canada did not enjoy the same ability.
Canadians can't participate in the Diversity Visa lottery.
Canadians get most of their breaks because of their location. It would not be practical to have the same rules for everyone.
They get breaks because it is in the interest of the US government to do so.
Oct 27th 2009, 9:45 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
There is no country around this globe except Canada who doesn't participate in VWP and can stay in US for 6 months without B2 visa stamping.
H1B and TN needs no stamping from embassy on Canadian passport. Its a big benefit.
Ian
Oct 27th 2009, 9:53 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
Posts off the original topic have been split out; OP is having a difficult enough time with his own topic.
Oct 27th 2009, 10:20 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
I'm going to add another thought here - I'm sure you won't mind.
You seem to believe that because the US has such close ties to Canada that Canadians are treated differently than any other people in the world. Well, that's probably true.
By extension, though, you also seem to believe that the rest of the world is somehow discriminated against because of the close ties the US has with Canada.
If that's what you think, then I believe you're wrong.
Ian
You seem to believe that because the US has such close ties to Canada that Canadians are treated differently than any other people in the world. Well, that's probably true.
By extension, though, you also seem to believe that the rest of the world is somehow discriminated against because of the close ties the US has with Canada.
If that's what you think, then I believe you're wrong.
Ian
Oct 27th 2009, 10:38 pm
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Re: Has anthing changed with the ESTA system in the past 10 months?
I'm going to add another thought here - I'm sure you won't mind.
You seem to believe that because the US has such close ties to Canada that Canadians are treated differently than any other people in the world. Well, that's probably true.
By extension, though, you also seem to believe that the rest of the world is somehow discriminated against because of the close ties the US has with Canada.
If that's what you think, then I believe you're wrong.
Ian
You seem to believe that because the US has such close ties to Canada that Canadians are treated differently than any other people in the world. Well, that's probably true.
By extension, though, you also seem to believe that the rest of the world is somehow discriminated against because of the close ties the US has with Canada.
If that's what you think, then I believe you're wrong.
Ian