L D Jones

sunflwrgrl13 wrote:
    >
    > Originally posted by elviswasmydad
    >
    > > Bush proposed his worker program today. I wonder if this only applies
    > > to Mexico, or whether other countries can also participate.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > This program will cause AOS waiting times to be much longer.
    >
    > What I want to know/understand (since I haven't fully read Bush's
    > proposal) is if Bush wants to allow people from foreign countries to
    > apply for a conditional (temporary?) Green Card if they get a job offer,
    > why the heck would we even need an H-visa category?? That sounds a bit
    > redundant to me.

I don't believe there is any mention in the proposal about greencards. I
heard on the radio that the program has no "path" from the temp worker
permit to permanent residence. It's a work permit, not a free greencard.
It may never become law

Andrew Defaria

L D Jones wrote:

    > elviswasmydad wrote:
    >> Bush proposed his worker program today. I wonder if this only applies
    >> to Mexico, or whether other countries can also participate.
    > Not only Mexico
    >> This program will cause AOS waiting times to be much longer.
    > There's no proof of that. What if all the new work permits were
    > handled in a new center staffed by new employees?

Ain't gonna happen. Trust me.
--
Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but anyone
going faster is a maniac?

Andrew Defaria

L D Jones wrote:

    > I don't believe there is any mention in the proposal about greencards.
    > I heard on the radio that the program has no "path" from the temp
    > worker permit to permanent residence. It's a work permit, not a free
    > greencard. It may never become law

Question about green cards: Are green cards not really green? And aren't
they effectively EAD cards which are Employment Authorization Documents?
If that be the case then what is the real difference between a "work
permit" - EAD - green card?
--
If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?

meauxna

Jamie,
your fiance could have entered the country and filed AOS without waiting for the amnesty. One of the benefits of AOSing via marriage to a USC.

Texas Ranger

Rete <member167@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Where do you come up with this.
    >
    >
    >
    > Originally posted by elviswasmydad
    >
    > > I was listening on CNN, and they were laying out the details. the
    > > anchor said, "The Adjustment Applications of the Illegal
    > > Immigrants will not be given preferential treatment over existing
    > > applications.
    >
    >
    >
    > The worker program does not allow illegal immigrans to adjust status
    >
    >
    >
    > > the adjustment period used to be about 4-8 weeks.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Which Decade?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Currently, its 18-24 months for my friends in the Midwest. My
    > > friend talked with the officer at his AOS interview, and the officer
    > > said that the service is overloaded and he's already stuck doing 5
    > > interviews each day. In his opinion, it is not enough time to do the
    > > background checks required to keep out any bad folks or cross
    > > reference the materials.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > 5 interviews a day with each interview lasting no more than 1/2 hour
    > > that is 2-1/2 hours out of a 7-8 hour work day. Heavy overload
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Can you imagine the effect that dumping even a portion of those
    > > 8 million folks (say an additional 1 Million or 20%) into the service
    > > centers would have? Theoretically, you'll likely see that AOS times
    > > will jump to 24-48 months.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Since they will not be able to adjust status your theory is pointless.
    > > If it did have relevancy, then look to the ramifications of the now
    > > expired Section 245(i) Act where illegals were indeed allowed to
    > > adjust status under certain conditions.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > What does that mean for us? Well... without the green card or
    > > adjustment interview you:
    >
    > >
    >
    > > 1) Have to apply for Employment Authorization each year. $165
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Thought it was $120
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > > 2) Renew your Driver's License/Permit Each year
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Not applicable to all states
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > > 3) Get, Extend or request multiple Advance Parole if you wish
    > > to leave the country
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Already the case so your point is?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > 4) Have to prepare an new affidavites of support for the
    > > Interview (because several years wil have passed)
    >
    > >
    >
    > > We already do so, again, your point is?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Plus... it just slows everything down more. It sure seems like
    > > we are saying if you can sneak in or overstay, we'll eventually let
    > > you become legal if you keep your head down and don't draw attention
    > > to yourself.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > As been the case for many a year now with the few amnesties that
    > > the government has thrown at various points during the last 20 to
    > > 30 years.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Most of us have very well organized applications, and our
    > > documentation is well in order. I doubt that there will be any
    > > "standard" or "much good organization" in over 50% of the illegal
    > > petitions. I'd suspect that there will be multiple RFE (Requests for
    > > Evidence), thousands of address changes, and many workers who migrate
    > > during adjustment leaving behind petitions in the system that have no
    > > "forwarding address" or way to reach them. Those "abandoned
    > > applications" will just sit in the queue's slowing down everything.
    > > THey will get service center interview appointments times (which will
    > > never be reciieved by the applicants who have moved) and push other
    > > Adjusment cases further into the future.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > If abandoned they are removed. They don't sit there. Where they do
    > > sit is the cave in Lee's Summit, MO Service Centers do give
    > > appointment times because you don't go to the service center for
    > > anything.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > There are already millions of address changes that USCIS has never
    > > logged into the system. So your point is?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Why do you care how someone, other than yourself, organizes their
    > > paperwork. You seem to be obssessed today with RFEs? Do you see one
    > > for yourself in the future?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Geezus Murphy Illegitimate Wanna Be Son of a Star ... get a life and a
    > > grip on yourself.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Rete
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Ignoring all the other arguments (from drains on public services to
    > > tax revenue or lack of it from illegals), the influx will probably be
    > > enough to flood, cripple and slow the BCIS for up to 2 years.
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > I think they do need to do something with the situation of illegals
    > in the country. It could be that this proposal is a good thing over-
    > all.

what kind of nut case are you lady? If you can't get his point, your
are beyond stupid.

Texas Ranger

ScottHenshaw <member9290@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Originally posted by elviswasmydad
    >
    > > They will be processed through the same service centers and although
    > > they will not have the same AOS as those you are thinking about , they
    > > will bog down the system..
    >
    >
    >
    > On the subject of, "Bogging down the system", why not try to limit your
    > posting to those times when you are medicated enough to make some sort
    > of sense and stop using the edit/delete feature to cover up you self
    > loathing and cowardism?

another message from PUTZ the alcoholic psychologist who lives in a trailer park

keep em coming , you crack me up

ScottHenshaw

Texas Ranger,

Not sure if you are one of Seadave's, (aka Elviswasmydad), prozac driven personalities or just some fruit cake out in the land of usnet users with nothing better to do than make yourself look like an idiot, but try to show some tact. First off, Rete is not only the moderator here, but a very intellegent person who offers many people solid and resonable advise and input on this forum. Second, anyone claiming that a fool like Elviswasmydad, (aka, Crispycreme, Seadave, Dave Wilkerson) is making a point is a point in and of itself that would show the accuser to be nothing more than a "Tit"...

Reargunner666

elviswasmydad <member17346@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Bush proposed his worker program today. I wonder if this only applies
    > to Mexico, or whether other countries can also participate.
    >
    >
    >
    > This program will cause AOS waiting times to be much longer.

Here is the original post that guy Rete copied. It is from ASAWA
forum.
It would be better in the future Mr.Rete if you gave credit to your
source and also didnt change the original post and pretend it is your
own.


Andrew_Russell
Moderator


Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 384
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:58 am Post subject: Irritated by Move
to Adjust 8 million Illegal US Aliens

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FYI - This is an immigration rant. This effects you because it could
add 1-3 years to your AOS times.

I've been following the various immigration debates over the last 3
months as presidential elections approach. Today, there has been some
very concrete discussion about allowing the 8 million illegal
immigrants in the US to file for adjustment of status if they can
prove that they've been in the US and working for some period of time.

Putting aside the arguments about how they came to be in the United
States, how it's unfair to let the "rule breakers" slip by, and how
this confirms the precedent from 1996 when this was last done....

THIS IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN ALL ADJUSTMENTS!

I was listening on CNN, and they were laying out the details. The one
that really, really irritated me was when the anchor said, "The
Adjustment Applications of the Illegal Immigrants will not be given
preferential treatment over existing applications."

My thought was, "Darned right... they'd better not!" Seriously, the
adjustment period used to be about 4-8 weeks. Currently, its 18-24
months here in the Midwest. We talked with the officer at our AOS
interview, and he said that they service is overloaded and he's
already stuck doing 5 interviews each day. In his opinion, it is not
enough time to do the background checks required to keep out any bad
folks or cross reference the materials.

Can you imagine the effect that dumping even a portion of those 8
million folks (say an additional 1 Million or 20%) into the service
centers would have? Theoretically, you'll likely see that AOS times
will jump to 24-48 months.

What does that mean for us? Well... without the green card or
adjustment interview you:

1) Have to apply for Employment Authorization each year. $165
2) Renew your Driver's License/Permit Each year
3) Get, Extend or request multiple Advance Parole if you wish to leave
the country
4) Have to prepare an new affidavites of support for the Interview
(because several years wil have passed)

Plus... it just slows everything down more. It sure seems like we are
saying if you can sneak in or overstay, we'll eventually let you
become legal if you keep your head down and don't draw attention to
yourself.

Most of us have very well organized applications, and our
documentation is well in order. I doubt that there will be any
"standard" or "much good organization" in over 50% of the illegal
petitions. I'd suspect that there will be multiple RFE (Requests for
Evidence), thousands of address changes, and many workers who migrate
during adjustment leaving behind petitions in the system that have no
"forwarding address" or way to reach them. Those "abandoned
applications" will just sit in the queue's slowing down everything.
THey will get service center interview appointments times (which will
never be reciieved by the applicants who have moved) and push other
Adjusment cases further into the future.

Ignoring all the other arguments (from drains on public services to
tax revenue or lack of it from illegals), the influx will probably be
enough to flood, cripple and slow the BCIS for up to 2 years.

We've played by the rules. It's a hellish, slow, and messed up system
as it is. Doing this not only irritates those of us who play by the
rules... but I feel that it moves things in the wrong direction.

I'm pro immigration. I'm anti-illegal immigration. I like to see
people with the "habits of liberty" come to our country, not an open
door to anyone who can get across the border and get hired at a
minimum wage job.

-Andrew

Mr Travel

Elvis is right. 10 million illegal aliens being registered is going to cause
huge delays in the immigration system. Anybody with half a brain can see
that.



"Rete" <member167@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Where do you come up with this.
    > Originally posted by elviswasmydad
    > > I was listening on CNN, and they were laying out the details. the
    > > anchor said, "The Adjustment Applications of the Illegal
    > > Immigrants will not be given preferential treatment over existing
    > > applications.
    > The worker program does not allow illegal immigrans to adjust status
    > > the adjustment period used to be about 4-8 weeks.
    > >
    > > Which Decade?
    > >
    > > Currently, its 18-24 months for my friends in the Midwest. My
    > > friend talked with the officer at his AOS interview, and the officer
    > > said that the service is overloaded and he's already stuck doing 5
    > > interviews each day. In his opinion, it is not enough time to do the
    > > background checks required to keep out any bad folks or cross
    > > reference the materials.
    > >
    > > 5 interviews a day with each interview lasting no more than 1/2 hour
    > > that is 2-1/2 hours out of a 7-8 hour work day. Heavy overload
    > >
    > > Can you imagine the effect that dumping even a portion of those
    > > 8 million folks (say an additional 1 Million or 20%) into the service
    > > centers would have? Theoretically, you'll likely see that AOS times
    > > will jump to 24-48 months.
    > >
    > > Since they will not be able to adjust status your theory is pointless.
    > > If it did have relevancy, then look to the ramifications of the now
    > > expired Section 245(i) Act where illegals were indeed allowed to
    > > adjust status under certain conditions.
    > >
    > > What does that mean for us? Well... without the green card or
    > > adjustment interview you:
    > >
    > > 1) Have to apply for Employment Authorization each year. $165
    > >
    > > Thought it was $120
    > >
    > >
    > > 2) Renew your Driver's License/Permit Each year
    > >
    > > Not applicable to all states
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 3) Get, Extend or request multiple Advance Parole if you wish
    > > to leave the country
    > >
    > > Already the case so your point is?
    > >
    > > 4) Have to prepare an new affidavites of support for the
    > > Interview (because several years wil have passed)
    > >
    > > We already do so, again, your point is?
    > >
    > > Plus... it just slows everything down more. It sure seems like
    > > we are saying if you can sneak in or overstay, we'll eventually let
    > > you become legal if you keep your head down and don't draw attention
    > > to yourself.
    > >
    > > As been the case for many a year now with the few amnesties that
    > > the government has thrown at various points during the last 20 to
    > > 30 years.
    > >
    > > Most of us have very well organized applications, and our
    > > documentation is well in order. I doubt that there will be any
    > > "standard" or "much good organization" in over 50% of the illegal
    > > petitions. I'd suspect that there will be multiple RFE (Requests for
    > > Evidence), thousands of address changes, and many workers who migrate
    > > during adjustment leaving behind petitions in the system that have no
    > > "forwarding address" or way to reach them. Those "abandoned
    > > applications" will just sit in the queue's slowing down everything.
    > > THey will get service center interview appointments times (which will
    > > never be reciieved by the applicants who have moved) and push other
    > > Adjusment cases further into the future.
    > >
    > > If abandoned they are removed. They don't sit there. Where they do
    > > sit is the cave in Lee's Summit, MO Service Centers do give
    > > appointment times because you don't go to the service center for
    > > anything.
    > >
    > > There are already millions of address changes that USCIS has never
    > > logged into the system. So your point is?
    > >
    > > Why do you care how someone, other than yourself, organizes their
    > > paperwork. You seem to be obssessed today with RFEs? Do you see one
    > > for yourself in the future?
    > >
    > > Geezus Murphy Illegitimate Wanna Be Son of a Star ... get a life and a
    > > grip on yourself.
    > >
    > > Rete
    > >
    > > Ignoring all the other arguments (from drains on public services to
    > > tax revenue or lack of it from illegals), the influx will probably be
    > > enough to flood, cripple and slow the BCIS for up to 2 years.
    > >
    > >
    > I think they do need to do something with the situation of illegals
    > in the country. It could be that this proposal is a good thing over-
    > all.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Putz Henshaw

It is a three year plan



"elviswasmydad" <member17346@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Bush proposed his worker program today. I wonder if this only applies
    > to Mexico, or whether other countries can also participate.
    > This program will cause AOS waiting times to be much longer.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Texas Ranger

elviswasmydad <member17346@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Bush proposed his worker program today. I wonder if this only applies
    > to Mexico, or whether other countries can also participate.
    >
    >
    >
    > This program will cause AOS waiting times to be much longer.


Here's the distinction between this and the legal Adjustments of
status that we do.
I think that a key point being missed here is that these folks will
obviously not have any "sponsor" or "Affidavits of Support". There
will be no checks to see if they earn over the poverty level. Should
they have family here, get food stamps, use public defenders, use
translators, need mental health services, medical services, etc...
there is no co-sponsor to pass the bill along to. My point is, that
these low-cost foreign workers could easily cost the law-abiding
citizens well over the $1000 they earn at minimum wage in public
services. At most, they'll be paying $200/month in taxes. (Chances
are, they'd be under poverty guidelines and get it all back in a
refund). So... it's hard to gage the true cost of "cheap foreign
labor".

Technically, this application for permanent residency isn't exactly
like a normal AOS. But, the process will go through the same service
centers. Supposedly, there is now way to "remove conditions of
permanent residency", and workers are expected to go home after 6
years. (This is a 3 year visa that will be renewable one time). Yeah
right. Once folks get established, have children, and get settled...
you'll see an outcry. Heck, in 3 years when all of the green card
renewals must take place.... you'll see another bottle neck.

Also, you'll noticed that Bush urges an increase of the 144,000 Green
Cards issued. How else would you issue up to 8 million of them?
Current laws would only allow for about 1/40th of number of illegal
immigrants to be issued Green cards. And, that assumes that no legal
immigrants get any.

Depending on what that limit is raised to... it's possible that the
cap could be hit and folks like us might be in the "Sorry, we've
reached our limit for the year" situation. I doubt that this would
really happen, but Its a possibility.

This has been a hot issue on talk radio for the last 7 weeks since
John Ashcroft suggested that the US might do this to deal with illegal
immigrants. I'm a very conservative Republican, but I'm outraged at
what the administration is proposing here. It seems like a "we can't
deal with the problem" type of "cop out".

Paul Ronald

The people who receive the Temporary Worker Visa will not be required to have a sponsor, and they won't need an affidavit of support. I think this is unfair to the people who have gone through the system legally and met these requirements.

ScottHenshaw

Looks like Dave Wilkerson is in full force today using and creating a pot-porri, (Spelling?) of new and some old user names. I was not aware that I had a relative with the same last name, that I was an alcholic or that my property was located on or in a trailer park, or that I was a psychologist. What is that age old saying, "Sticks and stones"?During Dave's long and grueling administrative review at the US Embassy in Manila, he will have ample time to reflect on what I have always called, "End of day truths". At the end of the day, I go home to the life that I have built for myself which is far differnt from the life, (Or mulitple lives), that he pretents to have. I have always made myself public here and have never hidden behind alias names and bogus identities. Anyone at anytime is welcome to visit my website, see who I am, how I live, etc. or share in my K-1 journey. Can we say the same for Seadave or Elvis, as we don't know who they really are, other than what we see here, which is an utter idiot.

curlylocks

The system he is proposing would allow employers to sponsor their workers for Greencards... which will of course give the employers just a strong a handhold over the immigrant workers as they have when they are illegal.

I'm not against the proposal in theory - just a lot of it should probably be re-thought!

jeffreyhy

curly,

Employers can already sponsor their alien workers for 'Green Cards'.

The system that Bush is proposing will allow employers to sponsor their undocumented workers for a temporary (3-year) working visa. There is a difference.

True, once documented, an undocumented alien worker could apply for a 'Green Card' - if (s)he can get a sponsor - but again, that possibility already exists under current law.

Regards, JEff