Razaq

Hi All,

I need help with this. Is it possible for someone who was previously in
the US as a student who had a social security number to apply for a new
social security number as an H1-B holder? Do the Social Security office
check for previous SSN in time of applying?

Regards,

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Ray

You get just the one for the rest of your life...You must use that one ..

Folinskyinla

Hi:

If there is damn good reason for a new one, e.g. identity theft, it is possible. But difficult from what I hear.

Any particular reason you are thinking of changing the number? BTW, make sure you have an ACTUAL number issued by the SSA. Becuase many schools use the SSN as an identifier, they would use numbers from series that are NOT used by SSA for student identification. If memory serves me correct, the unused series are listed on the internet.

see
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/ID_SSN_fi...ucture.article

Razaq

    > > Hi All,
    > > I need help with this. Is it possible for someone who was previously
    > > in
    > > the US as a student who had a social security number to apply for a
    > > new
    > > social security number as an H1-B holder? Do the Social Security
    > > office
    > > check for previous SSN in time of applying?
    > > Regards,
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://expatforums.com
    > You get just the one for the rest of your life...You must use
    > that one ..
    > --

Hi,

Thank you for your reply. I know that once you get your SSN, it will be
forever. However, I was asking whether if is it possible if someone
tried to fool the Social Security Office by applying for a new SSN
without telling them that he/she had one already?

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NCTarheel

Now what good reason could you possibly have for wanting to do that?

Ray

Sorry I did not realize you wanted us how to tell you how to
commit fraud on the federal goverment....

Razaq

    > > > > Hi All,
    > > > > I need help with this. Is it possible for someone who was
    > > > > previously
    > > > > in
    > > > > the US as a student who had a social security number to apply
    > > > > for
    > > > > a
    > > > > new
    > > > > social security number as an H1-B holder? Do the Social Security
    > > > > office
    > > > > check for previous SSN in time of applying?
    > > > > Regards,
    > > > > --
    > > > > Posted via http://expatforums.com
    > > > You get just the one for the rest of your life...You must use
    > > > that one ..
    > > > --
    > > Hi,
    > > Thank you for your reply. I know that once you get your SSN, it will
    > > be
    > > forever. However, I was asking whether if is it possible if someone
    > > tried to fool the Social Security Office by applying for a new SSN
    > > without telling them that he/she had one already?
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://expatforums.com
    > Sorry I did not realize you wanted us how to tell you how to
    > commit fraud on the federal goverment....
    > --

Well, one reason for this could be, that person has bad credit, so by
applying for a new SSN, then he will establish a new fresh life. I am
not trying to know how to commit fraud, I am just asking whether the SSA
will check if someone is trying to fool them by applying for SSN and
pretending that he or she never had an SSN before, so anybody can help
out with this question??

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Noorah101

Fooling SSA on purpose and lying on a government form, IS some kind of fraud. If you have bad credit, you are supposed to work on it slowly, and build it back up again. Have a consultation with a financial consultant, there are lots of ways of building up bad credit. Lying to the government isn't one of them.

Rene

gruffbrown

My wife will love reading this thread

dbj1000

Now I remember why I don't read these forums regularly - my blood pressure can't handle it.

Razaq, you're a twat, and I sincerely hope you're caught.

(deep breaths, calm thoughts...)

mdyoung

It's not likely that you could do it, because the system normally flags applications that the information submitted matches the info of a SSN record that already be established. The other reasons are SSA verifies the immigration status of everyone that's not a U.S. citizen, so if you tried using fake documents immigration would probably catch that. If you tried passing yourself off as a U.S. citizen SSA verifies the birth record of every U.S. born citizen over the age of one that applies for an original SSN and card.

Plus Section 208 Title II of the Social Security Act
http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title02/0208.htm

from any person, or for any other purpose—

(A) willfully, knowingly, and with intent to deceive, uses a social security account number, assigned by the Commissioner of Social Security (in the exercise of the Commissioner's authority under section 205(c)(2) to establish and maintain records) on the basis of false information furnished to the Commissioner of Social Security by him or by any other person; or...

shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

mdyoung

There are reasons that some could get a second SSN. Being stalked or harrassed, idenity theft, adopted child. Other for an adopted child the second SSN is crossed refered in the system, so first number is still going to be the person's SSN.

Now with Enumeration At Entry people have been assign two number because they have checked off on the DS-230 to be assigned an SSN through the immigrant visa process and also apply as soon as they get here and both get processed.

Ray

My wife tried to get a replacement after stalker problem ..while he was in jail ... totally refused by SSA....Fortunately he died shortly after coming out .

mdyoung

Some of the info is outdated.

SSN Areas 729 through 733 are used for Enumeration at Entry
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

I believe SSA publication 05-10633 is no longer avaliable.

This if correct is something I haven't heard before:

"The 2000 and 7000 series serial numbers are special. These ranges are not
assigned in chronological order. Rather, every fifth applicant is assigned
a serial number in one of these ranges. These serial number groups
represent a random sampling of SS participants and are used for statistical
analysis."

ITINs issued by the IRS are formatted like an SSN and all begin with "9".

9XX-XX-XXXX

I think in the past some schools have also got ITINs for students that couldn't be assigned an SSN, but IRS has tightened up the procedures for issuing them.

gruffbrown

Do you live in Baltimore by any chance?