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Any new news on Atlanta temp EAD situation?

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Old Jan 27th 2001, 1:47 pm
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demcqueen
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Has anyone else been denied/granted the temp EAD using Atlanta as their POE since late
December? My fiance is flying into there in just over two weeks, so I'll have some info to
post then but was wondering if the most recent posts about them not giving the stamp/card
were just flukes or if they have really stopped it altogether.

Dawn
 
Old Jan 27th 2001, 3:20 pm
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Alvena Ferreira
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Has anyone else been denied/granted the temp EAD using Atlanta as
> their POE since late December? My fiance is flying into there in just over two weeks, so
> I'll have some info to post then but was wondering if the most recent posts about them
> not giving the stamp/card were just flukes or if they have really stopped it altogether.
>
I am not optimistic that your fiance will get one at Atlanta or anywhere at this point.
However, I *am* optimistic that if you print out the memo to SS regarding provision of SS
numbers for k-1 fiances, that your fiance will be able to get a SS number and to work,
based on his I-94 and/or k-1 visa...see my EAD page for info on this, including the entire
text of the memo and specific instructions: http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/EAD2.html
alvena marriage visa pages at: http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 11:26 am
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The POE rolling list has an entry for Atlanta on 1/18/2001 - the EAD was not issued. I
think it is safe to assume that Atlanta has stopped giving out the EAD. My wife entered on
12/17/2000 and also did not get the EAD, she was given an I-765 form (older version) and
was told to take it to the local INS office. See my reply to Alvena for details of our EAD
experience.

> Has anyone else been denied/granted the temp EAD using Atlanta as their POE since late
> December? My fiance is flying into there in just over two weeks, so I'll have some info
> to post then but was wondering if the most recent posts about them not giving the
> stamp/card were just flukes or if they have really stopped it altogether.
>
>
> Dawn
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 12:03 pm
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As I've said in another posting/thread - I don't believe we can conclude that any K-1'er
can obtain employment based on the SSA memo that has recently come to light. We can only
conclude the memo guarantees the K-1 holder a social security number. While I would love
to see the outcome of someone trying to get employment based on the memo, I fear they will
be denied when the employer can't find the box to check from list A, B, or C on the I-9
form. I feel telling any K-1 holder that they can obtain employment based solely on the
content of this memo is not only misleading, but just plain wrong - at least until we have
some understanding what prompted the SSA to issue the memo. It would be a different story
if the memo was issued by the INS. Maybe the veterans of the group would like to take on
the task of finding out what caused the SSA to give "birth" to this memo.

I was going to include our own EAD experience in this message but it would make this
posting too long and might even be considered "off topic" for this posting - please read
my post under "EAD experience in Tampa". Thanks, "John"

> [email protected] wrote:
> > Has anyone else been denied/granted the temp EAD using Atlanta as their POE since late
> > December? My fiance is flying into there in just over two weeks, so I'll have some
> > info to post then but was wondering if the most recent posts about them not giving the
> > stamp/card were just flukes or if they have really stopped it altogether.
> >
> I am not optimistic that your fiance will get one at Atlanta or anywhere at this point.
> However, I *am* optimistic that if you print out the memo to SS regarding provision of
> SS numbers for k-1 fiances, that your fiance will be able to get a SS number and to
> work, based on his I-94 and/or k-1 visa...see my EAD page for info on this, including
> the entire text of the memo and specific instructions:
> http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/EAD2.html alvena marriage visa pages at:
> http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 12:41 pm
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As I've said in another posting/thread - I don't believe we can
> conclude that any K-1'er can obtain employment based on the SSA memo that has recently
> come to light. We can only conclude the memo guarantees the K-1 holder a social
> security number.
...
>I feel telling any K-1 holder that they can obtain employment based solely on the content
>of this memo is not only misleading, but just plain wrong - at least until we have some
>understanding what prompted the SSA to issue the memo. It would be a different story if
>the memo was issued by the INS.

I've been thinking the same thing. While the SSA says that people can get a SS# with a K-1
because the K-1 means they are allowed to work for the 1st 90 days (or something to that
effect - I don't have the SSA memo in front of me) I would not take it as a substitute to
getting the EAD. SSA and INS are two very seperate and distinct agencies, and I wouldn't
take something the SSA says to be in agreement with the INS's policies.

I think the two are completely different issues, and that perhaps the SSA memo was more to
the effect of letting people get a SS# before getting the EAD, rather than instead of
getting the EAD.

There's a reason they stamp those cards "Valid for work only with INS Authorization"

Betastar
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 2:08 pm
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For those who do not wish to work but need a SSN for various other reasons, the memo does
indeed provide an alternative to the EAD.

I do not believe ANYONE was saying that the memo and getting a SSN was a substitute for
the EAD. "John", where did you get that idea from Alvena's response?

--
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http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks
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http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization Service
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For reliable
advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}

> In article <#oMWpY4iAHA.338@cpmsnbbsa09>,

> > As I've said in another posting/thread - I don't believe we can conclude that any
> > K-1'er can obtain employment based on the SSA memo that has recently come to light. We
> > can only conclude the memo guarantees the K-1 holder a social security number.
> ...
> >I feel telling any K-1 holder that they can obtain employment based solely on the
> >content of this memo is not only misleading, but just plain wrong - at least until we
> >have some understanding what prompted the SSA to issue the memo. It would be a
> >different story if the memo was issued by the INS.
>
> I've been thinking the same thing. While the SSA says that people can get a SS# with a
> K-1 because the K-1 means they are allowed to work for the 1st 90 days (or something to
> that effect - I don't have the SSA memo in front of me) I would not take it as a
> substitute to getting the EAD. SSA and INS are two very seperate and distinct agencies,
> and I wouldn't take something the SSA says to be in agreement with the INS's policies.
>
> I think the two are completely different issues, and that perhaps the SSA memo was more
> to the effect of letting people get a SS# before getting the EAD, rather than instead of
> getting the EAD.
>
> There's a reason they stamp those cards "Valid for work only with INS Authorization"
>
>
> Betastar
>
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 2:21 pm
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Maybe the veterans of the group would like to take on the task
>of finding out what caused the SSA to give "birth" to this memo.

If I hear anything as a result of my own written inquiry, I will let the group know. The
issue is important, not only for current K visa fiance(e)s, but for future K visa
*spouses* as well. MIke
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 6:47 pm
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Betastar
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For those who do not wish to work but need a SSN for various other
> reasons, the memo does indeed provide an alternative to the EAD.
>
> I do not believe ANYONE was saying that the memo and getting a SSN was a substitute for
> the EAD. "John", where did you get that idea from Alvena's response?

I've been in a time-crunch lately so not reading all the posts as I used to, but I got
that impression from Alvena's website, both under Visa Update Notes and the EAD pages

http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/notes.html
http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/EAD1.html
http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/EAD2.html

Betastar still thinking you need an EAD...
 
Old Jan 31st 2001, 11:56 pm
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Alvena Ferreira
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"John" wrote:
>
> As I've said in another posting/thread - I don't believe we can conclude that any K-1'er
> can obtain employment based on the SSA memo that has recently come to light. We can only
> conclude the memo guarantees the K-1 holder a social security number. While I would love
> to see the outcome of

OK, just a question (to anyone who just recently got the SS card by presenting the SS memo
to SS office or after SS office reviewed their memo) When you/your spouse got the SS card,
did you get a SS card that had "valid for work with INS authorization only" or did you get
a card that just was a plain old ordinary SS card? If you got the SS card with no "ins
validation" comment on it, then you don't need an EAD...read the I-9 form, page 3,
regarding documents that establish ability to work:
http://www.sba.gov/sbaforms/doji9form.pdf

According to that document, (if I am reading it correctly) IF you have a plain old
ordinary SS card AND some form of picture ID, you can work, no questions asked.

alvena
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 10:16 am
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How could you NOT get that idea from Alvena's response?

> For those who do not wish to work but need a SSN for various other
reasons,
> the memo does indeed provide an alternative to the EAD.
>
> I do not believe ANYONE was saying that the memo and getting a SSN was a substitute for
> the EAD. "John", where did you get that idea from Alvena's response?
>
> --
> Jonathan _/ _/ _/ _/ K-1 Fiance Visa Immigration through to Adjustment of Status
> http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks
> Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Arnaldo and Alvena's Fiance Visa Page
> http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization Service
> http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For reliable
> advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}

> > In article <#oMWpY4iAHA.338@cpmsnbbsa09>,

> > > As I've said in another posting/thread - I don't believe we can conclude that any
> > > K-1'er can obtain employment based on the SSA memo that has recently come to light.
> > > We can only conclude the memo guarantees the K-1 holder a social security number.
> > ...
> > >I feel telling any K-1 holder that they can obtain employment based solely on the
> > >content of this memo is not only misleading, but just plain wrong - at least until we
> > >have some understanding what prompted the SSA to issue the memo. It would be a
> > >different story if the memo was issued by the INS.
> >
> > I've been thinking the same thing. While the SSA says that people can get a SS# with a
> > K-1 because the K-1 means they are allowed to work for the 1st 90 days (or something
> > to that effect - I don't have the SSA memo in front of me) I would not take it as a
> > substitute to getting the EAD. SSA and INS are two very seperate and distinct
> > agencies, and I wouldn't take something the SSA says to be in agreement with the INS's
> > policies.
> >
> > I think the two are completely different issues, and that perhaps the SSA memo was
> > more to the effect of letting people get a SS# before getting the EAD, rather than
> > instead of getting the EAD.
> >
> > There's a reason they stamp those cards "Valid for work only with INS Authorization"
> >
> >
> > Betastar
> >
> >
> >
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 11:12 am
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We have not received the SS card in the mail yet; however, we were told at the office
that the card would have the "not valid" wording on it. I will let the group know when
we get it.

Meanwhile, you do have an interesting point. If one were to get a plain old ordinary card
then there would be no problem with getting work and as Betastar points out - no need for
an EAD of any kind. As the saying goes, "if it sounds too good to be true..."

I have nothing but respect for you Alvena. Your tireless efforts have been a great service
to an untold number of people seeking help. However, I'm afraid you might have "jumped the
gun" just a little on this one. I only say this because you have asked about the "not
valid" wording on the SS card. If indeed the cards come with this wording, then what
becomes of your premise that an EAD is not necessary?

What's more, I fear that once SSA and/or INS get(s) wind K-1 holders are trying or getting
employment without an EAD they will either modify or recind the memo and we will be back
where we started from trying to get SS numbers.

Regards, "John"

> OK, just a question (to anyone who just recently got the SS card by presenting the SS
> memo to SS office or after SS office reviewed their
memo)
> When you/your spouse got the SS card, did you get a SS card that had "valid for work
> with INS authorization only" or did you get a card that just was a plain old ordinary SS
> card? If you got the SS card with no "ins validation" comment on it, then you don't need
> an EAD...read the I-9 form, page 3, regarding documents that establish ability to work:
> http://www.sba.gov/sbaforms/doji9form.pdf
>
> According to that document, (if I am reading it correctly) IF you have a plain old
> ordinary SS card AND some form of picture ID, you can work, no questions asked.
>
> alvena
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 11:35 am
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Alvena Ferreira
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"John" wrote:
> I have nothing but respect for you Alvena. Your tireless efforts have been a great
> service to an untold number of people seeking help. However, I'm afraid you might have
> "jumped the gun" just a little on this one. I only say this because you have asked about
> the "not valid" wording on the SS card. If indeed the cards come with this wording, then
> what becomes of your premise that an EAD is not necessary?
>
> What's more, I fear that once SSA and/or INS get(s) wind K-1 holders are trying or
> getting employment without an EAD they will either modify or recind the memo and we will
> be back where we started from trying to get SS numbers.
>
You are probably correct, I think that I *DID* jump the gun...I'm gonna change the page to
reflect that, hopefully today. alvena
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 11:45 am
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Alvena Ferreira
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"John" wrote:
> I have nothing but respect for you Alvena. Your tireless efforts have been a great
> service to an untold number of people seeking help. However, I'm afraid you might have
> "jumped the gun" just a little on this one. I only say this because you have asked about
> the "not valid" wording on the SS card. If indeed the cards come with this wording, then
> what becomes of your premise that an EAD is not necessary?
>
Someone, please do me a favor...re-read my EAD and SS pages and see if I have made the
appropriate corrections... http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/AOS.html

alvena
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 12:11 pm
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Someone, please do me a favor...re-read my EAD and SS pages and see if
> I have made the appropriate corrections... http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/AOS.html

Looks a lot better to me. I want to echo John's sentiments about having nothing but
the utmost respect for you and all you do. But I also didn't want to stay quiet
about something I felt may be wrong - especially since your pages are used as a
resource by so many.

Betastar
 
Old Feb 1st 2001, 12:45 pm
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Interesting question. I asked the same thing back in Aug/Sept,(I am sure the Grinch can
search the archives for it), because my wife received her card with out the "valid for
work with INS authorization only" stamped on
it. She had the 90 day stamp on her I-94.

I figured that since she had a regular SS card she would not need the EAD. I asked the NG
back then if she need the EAD anyway and the answer was yes. Then when I tried to reason
the fact that it would not really be necessary and we could save 200-300$ (back then we
though we had to wait 30-36 months for the AOS) everyone started to question my integrity.
My have times changed.

Anyway it is a mute point for us since the AOS is 1 Mar 01.
 


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