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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:36 pm
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I would rather they used all those resources on something effective.
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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:37 pm
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I was pulled aside and even swabbed for explosives returning to the US from CDG in Paris. Must have been the US Passport that triggered it.
That's not nice at all, I'm pretty sure it could happen to me as anyone else. Sounds to me like you were unlucky.
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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
IIRC, Bin Laden (or one of his minions) celebrated 9/11 and promised more attacks, presumably attacks that could have happened by now if measures were not tightened up.
I've got a big pot of tiger repellent to sell you. It works REALLY well, since there are no tigers near me in Redmond right now.

"Security theatre"? Only time will tell, but I'd rather have a show that might be affective, rather than none at all that could send out the wrong message to the terrorists that it's okay to attack.
At the very best it's a waste of money.

BTW, I'm assuming from the brief period of time between my post and your reply that you haven't actually read anything that I believe is directly relevant and very applicable to the discussion. So, it's not worth my time to discuss it further, since you won't be able to appreciate my arguments.
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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by nettlebed
So, it's not worth my time to discuss it further.
That's a relief.
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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:45 pm
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Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
IIRC, Bin Laden (or one of his minions) celebrated 9/11 and promised more attacks, presumably attacks that could have happened by now if measures were not tightened up.
'Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither' - Benjamin Franklin
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Old Dec 22nd 2008, 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by nettlebed
BTW, I'm assuming from the brief period of time between my post and your reply that you haven't actually read anything that I believe is directly relevant and very applicable to the discussion. So, it's not worth my time to discuss it further, since you won't be able to appreciate my arguments.
Oh, that's hardly fair. I'm just putting a different perspective on the "it's an intrusive waste of money that does nothing" argument. Not very much to follow from that, as it's a pretty conclusive statement/opinion.

I'm just throwing it out there that yes it is expensive and intrusive, but is regardless a small price to pay even if it can save one life of an innocent. Because it hasn't been proved to be 100% secure is NOT the same as proving that it is otherwise useless.
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
'Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither' - Benjamin Franklin
It's all about context I'm sure, dear fatbrit.
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Originally Posted by nettlebed
I've got a big pot of tiger repellent to sell you. It works REALLY well, since there are no tigers near me in Redmond right now.
dammit, I SO WISH I had taken a snap of the car that just crept by... oh yes, a tiger-striped art car!

Clearly I need to re-order my repellent. Can you add a can of snow repellent, please?
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Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
I'm just throwing it out there that yes it is expensive and intrusive, but is regardless a small price to pay even if it can save one life of an innocent.
Really? Because this is a big place with a lot of people and I'm sure it could use a little pruning if it means I can get through the airport faster.
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Originally Posted by surly
That's a relief.
Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
It's all about context I'm sure, dear fatbrit.
Sigh. Looks like a case of Good Troll/Bad Troll.

I'm out of here...
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Originally Posted by nettlebed
Except that the "security theatre" that Bruce Schneier talks about in the program, and has been talking about for years and years now, does precisely nothing to make you safer. It's all show.

Go to http://www.schneier.com/ for much more detail about why it is all a sham.
Talking of security theater, what's with the baggage re-check that is sometimes done again once in the US? I've had it done in ATL but not in SFO. Seems kinda odd to me as you are already in the USA. Is it they just don't trust anyone to do it right so have to re-do it again "just in case"? The stupid bit is...it's already too late by the time you are in the country!
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Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
Oh, that's hardly fair. I'm just putting a different perspective on the "it's an intrusive waste of money that does nothing" argument. Not very much to follow from that, as it's a pretty conclusive statement/opinion.

I'm just throwing it out there that yes it is expensive and intrusive, but is regardless a small price to pay even if it can save one life of an innocent. Because it hasn't been proved to be 100% secure is NOT the same as proving that it is otherwise useless.
Thing is...many other countries seem to be doing alright before things kicked off here without nearly as much fuss, so there's not that much need for good, but discreet security...especially when it's well, rubbish.
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Originally Posted by DeanUK2US
I'm just throwing it out there that yes it is expensive and intrusive, but is regardless a small price to pay even if it can save one life of an innocent. Because it hasn't been proved to be 100% secure is NOT the same as proving that it is otherwise useless.
But perhaps that "small price" (in terms of the inconvenience caused) - and that very large price (in terms of the actual dollars that are being spent) could save more that just "one life of an innocent" if it were spent more effectively.
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Originally Posted by Bob
Thing is...many other countries seem to be doing alright before things kicked off here without nearly as much fuss, so there's not that much need for good, but discreet security...especially when it's well, rubbish.
But we've still had attacks after our 7/7 disaster. I don't know. If I'm honest I can see the need for such scrutiny if you wish to remain as safe as you can.
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Originally Posted by md95065
But perhaps that "small price" (in terms of the inconvenience caused) - and that very large price (in terms of the actual dollars that are being spent) could save more that just "one life of an innocent" if it were spent more effectively.
"Spent more effectively" how?
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