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Toontje Oct 31st 2009 1:10 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by orangemirror (Post 8057692)
I guess there is a genuine reason for it, something going on in my brain to do with being around different accents.

It's the high fructose corn syrup, I tell ya!

Steerpike Oct 31st 2009 4:49 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by penguinbar (Post 8056394)
My husband is working in the mailroom for an International company. He found out through a co-worker that his boss recommended him for a higher position but his bosses boss thought his accent was too thick. He is very upset and I am furious! Now he feels like he will never get a better job .

Is he incapable of adapting/toning down his speech, or does he feel that is an unreasonable imposition? Just as you can learn a foreign language, you can also learn a different accent if you set your mind to it.

90% of the time, having a British accent here in the US is a big plus, as most people have noted - Americans love the British accent in social situations. However, it can be a negative in the work environment. I can't see any fault in someone wanting a person to speak in a manner that is as clear as possible (as perceived by the target audience for the product/service), especially nowadays with the strong backlash against outsourced call centers in India/etc. A MILD British accent is probably a plus even in business, but a STRONG one - you are asking for trouble if you don't make an effort to adjust it. How many Brits liked it (back in the UK) when they called a business and reached an Indian / Pakistani with a strong accent?


Originally Posted by Toontje (Post 8053070)
Question for all the Brits.

I basically grew up bilingual. In school, and sometimes at home too, I was taught how to speak proper dutch, but at home (most of the time) and in the streets I only spoke the regional/local dialect. I do know that I speak dutch with a regional accent. There's no mistake possible to tell where in the Netherlands I'm from when I speak proper dutch. But there's not a single person in Holland who would have even the slightest trouble understanding me.

How is that in the UK? I figure you all spoke the local or regional dialect in the streets, and probably at home too. But what where YOU taught at school? Was there any emphasis at speaking proper english? Did the teachers in school make any effort to get you to lose your (broad) accent?

Just curious. That's all.

I grew up with a VERY strong North-West accent ("Eh bah gum, trubble up' Mill ...", "eh, by eck lad...", ...) and no-one ever made any attempt to have us speak differently. Whenever we heard anyone with a 'proper English' accent, we would mock them and call them stuck-up (or just call them a "namby pamby southerner" - Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin). Wasn't until I escaped the area to attend Uni in London that I realized just how strong my accent was. Since I loved London, and the south in general, I had no problem letting my accent go but whenever I returned home, I would get 'shit' from people for having a 'southern accent'. Accent is not only a 'class' thing, as others have mentioned, but there is a very strong regional identification too - people in Lancashire think they are better than people in Yorkshire, and all Northerners think they are better than Southerners. Southerners, meanwhile, think everyone north of Watford Gap is a backwards idiot.

I was the only person from my Comprehensive school in Lancashire to graduate from University; a small number started Uni, but I was the only one to stay the course. It was regarded as a waste of time ...


Originally Posted by chartreuse (Post 8053500)
There was no effort made to teach RP in our school. However, one should bear in mind that, in England at that time, it could be problematic to consider dialect separately from class. So, for example, attempting to learn RP might be regarded as getting above oneself, even by teachers. As such, it would be discouraged.

What is 'RP'?

chartreuse Oct 31st 2009 4:53 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8060239)
What is 'RP'?

Received Pronunciation. AKA "namby pamby southerner" :D

penguinbar Oct 31st 2009 4:53 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
My husband is from Carnoustie and actually his accent is pretty mild.

dbj1000 Oct 31st 2009 4:54 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8060239)
...What is 'RP'?

Received Pronunciation, or "BBC English".

Makes you sound like a toff. It's how I speak, and got me into many fights during my childhood. Doesn't make me very welcome in places with strong regional accents either! :)

penguinbar Oct 31st 2009 4:55 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
I think his bosses boss is just ignorant. Especially since we live in NYC where there is paractically every accent you can think of and plenty of immigrants run major businesses over here with much heavier accents than his!

meauxna Oct 31st 2009 4:59 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8060239)
but there is a very strong regional identification too - people in Lancashire think they are better than people in Yorkshire, and all Northerners think they are better than Southerners. Southerners, meanwhile, think everyone north of Watford Gap is a backwards idiot.

And yet the whole thing is still smaller than Oregon. :huh:
The cowpokes don't talk all that dif'runt from us city folk up here.

chartreuse Oct 31st 2009 5:02 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 8060261)
The cowpokes don't talk all that dif'runt from us city folk up here.

Ah, you city folk, with your fancy ways...;)

robin1234 Oct 31st 2009 6:19 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8060239)
Southerners, meanwhile, think everyone north of Watford Gap is a backwards idiot.

What is 'RP'?

But they are... aren't they???

Sally Redux Oct 31st 2009 6:56 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 8060373)
But they are... aren't they???

They don't know what RP is :lol:

chartreuse Oct 31st 2009 6:59 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8060453)
They don't know what RP is :lol:

Right, that's it! I'm going to TP your house, over the Internet... ;)

Sally Redux Oct 31st 2009 7:03 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by chartreuse (Post 8060459)
Right, that's it! I'm going to TP your house, over the Internet... ;)

:lol:

katnap8 Nov 1st 2009 5:35 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
I'm an American from California living in the UK and I'm often told by people over the phone that they love my accent or that I don't sound American. I think it's because I don't have a New York accent or a Southern accent as I think alot of people associate America with those accents from what they see in the media in the same way that I think most people in America think the English accent is the Cockney accent or the "posh" accent. After 5 years in England I'm still not good at differentiating regional accents but I know that there are differences.

I'm also mistaken for Irish, Scottish, or Australian over the phone.

After living here I've picked up the English way of saying some things and sometimes my family back home catches me on it but I still sound American.

I can honestly say I've never heard chock-a-block until I came here. :)

miss_monkey Nov 1st 2009 5:45 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
I have to say, having just got here I've only had mild problems so far. I think sometimes it's not that people don't understand you or want to give you a job but that they are expecting you to sound American when you talk and when you don't, it knocks them for six.

I went to meet some of my husband's family when I first visited and his uncle and aunt physically stared at me for like, 3 minutes! Of course, the more they stared, the more nervous I got and the faster I talked and if you've ever heard a Scottish person who is nervous speak it's like trying to listen to a drunk person talk through mouthfuls of vomit. Needless to say, I'm going to make an effort to slow down next time.

sime303 Nov 1st 2009 7:58 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
The other day at work I was telling a new guy how to do something faster and easier. After about 30 seconds of staring at me I thought he was going to give me the whole "I can do it faster my way" speech.

When he finally said something to me it was "Are you ****ing with me?".

I replied "No, I'm serious it's faster that way"

He then said "That accent, you putting it on to **** with me?"

I started laughing and said "No, that is how I talk"

He started laughing then and realised I wasn't taking the piss out of the new guy.

Sometimes in comfortable situations I totally forget I sound different.

exvj Nov 2nd 2009 6:57 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
I got back from London in July and I couldn't wait to get back to Seattle where people understand me.
Never spoke to an English person in London for a whole week and it was a real struggle to understand and be understood.
I was foreigner in my own country and I was using sign language sometimes.

In the restaurants here in Washington State they do a cockney accent to impress me and I reply with some Barnsley which I learned from my mate Keith. That usually puts a stop to that while they reach for their Serbo-Croat phrase book... 'whistle atter look sharp ' .. 'taluv' ???

Lothianlad Nov 2nd 2009 10:58 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Kaffy Mintcake (Post 8044003)
You know Americans who use the word 'posh'?

POSH: Port out, Starboard home.......the best cabins on board ships are/were situated in that position...affordable only by the posh, rich people.

Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?

Ray Nov 2nd 2009 11:12 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Lothianlad (Post 8065700)
POSH: Port out, Starboard home.......the best cabins on board ships are/were situated in that position...affordable only by the posh, rich people.

Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?

Hopefully not...... because thats a load nonsense from
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

meauxna Nov 2nd 2009 11:15 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Lothianlad (Post 8065700)
POSH: Port out, Starboard home.......the best cabins on board ships are/were situated in that position...affordable only by the posh, rich people.

Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?

No, we don't have ships here yet, or rich people. But we have similar sayings for the stagecoach, which we still ride regularly.

Sally Redux Nov 2nd 2009 11:15 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Ray (Post 8065717)
Hopefully not...... because thats a load nonsense from
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

lol I was just thinking that...good song though

Sally Redux Nov 2nd 2009 11:16 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 8065721)
No, we don't have ships here yet, or rich people. But we have similar sayings for the stagecoach, which we still ride regularly.

:lol:

exvj Nov 2nd 2009 11:17 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 8065721)
No, we don't have ships here yet, or rich people. But we have similar sayings for the stagecoach, which we still ride regularly.

Stagecoaches ! Stagecoaches ! Decadent ! When I were a lad we didnt even have clogs !

Trixie_b Nov 2nd 2009 11:23 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...rdorigins/posh

exvj Nov 2nd 2009 11:26 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Trixie_b (Post 8065740)

I think old mother shipton foretold the spice girls and it started then.

Englishtart Nov 3rd 2009 12:09 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 8065721)
No, we don't have ships here yet, or rich people. But we have similar sayings for the stagecoach, which we still ride regularly.

:rofl::thumbup:

Steerpike Nov 3rd 2009 5:46 pm

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Lothianlad (Post 8065700)
POSH: Port out, Starboard home.......the best cabins on board ships are/were situated in that position...affordable only by the posh, rich people.

Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?

"Posh did not originally stand for "Port Out, Starboard Home" (referring to 1st class cabins shaded from the sun on outbound voyages east, and homeward heading voyages west). The musical Chitty Chitty Bang Bang popularized this erroneous etymology" (from this page). Plenty of other references out there too.

But more to the point ... many words have 'original meanings' that are no longer relevant, and knowing that original meaning is irrelevant for current usage ...

exvj Nov 4th 2009 2:39 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8069614)
"Posh did not originally stand for "Port Out, Starboard Home" (referring to 1st class cabins shaded from the sun on outbound voyages east, and homeward heading voyages west). The musical Chitty Chitty Bang Bang popularized this erroneous etymology" (from this page). Plenty of other references out there too.

But more to the point ... many words have 'original meanings' that are no longer relevant, and knowing that original meaning is irrelevant for current usage ...


Not only irrelevant but wrong - seeing as a nice pair of winter boots from M&S can't have anything to do with steaming to Bombay

However, I do like to try and absorb as much of this stuff as poss as the original sentiment remains even after the reference in the actual words has died out

It helps with languages too - for instance 'beyond the pale' refers to beyond the palings where the palings are a picket fence. Someone on the outside the fence. In Spanish, a 'palillo' is a toothpick - like a tiny wooden paling. Absorbing all these connections helps me to remember the word because human brains work on connections and associations.

What I am saying is that no knowledge is useless and I like to absorb as much as I can as it's amazing when it comes in useful. Anyone who has ever had a piece of pork chop wedged in their teeth in a remote area of Spain will vouch for that.

It can be amusing too finding out that the Yorkshire phrase 'clap thi lug 'ole' is very close to old Danish of the type spoken in Iceland. So long live the obscure references.

zargof Nov 4th 2009 3:11 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
Just read this article on the Beeb. Seems appropriate. Oh and I have heard the agglesteans, also wassuck is common parlance in my family.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8338077.stm

exvj Nov 4th 2009 3:21 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 8070747)
Just read this article on the Beeb. Seems appropriate. Oh and I have heard the agglesteans, also wassuck is common parlance in my family.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8338077.stm

Don't know about wassack/wassuck - could be the demeaning of the Polish again ? We had lots of Polish DP's (displaced persons) living around us after the war

I have just gone to google language translator and entered

'clap your lug hole' which is Yorkshire for 'smack your ear'

I asked it to translate into modern Danish and it returns:

'Klappe din lug hul'

Anyone who doubts me can try it right now...

It's weird to know I speak Viking
!

cindyabs Nov 4th 2009 5:09 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by exvj (Post 8070675)
What I am saying is that no knowledge is useless and I like to absorb as much as I can as it's amazing when it comes in useful.

That's what I'm banking on. :thumbup: It's so much more positive than describing yourself as having a head full of useless trivia. :D

Steerpike Nov 4th 2009 6:35 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by exvj (Post 8070675)
Not only irrelevant but wrong - seeing as a nice pair of winter boots from M&S can't have anything to do with steaming to Bombay

However, I do like to try and absorb as much of this stuff as poss as the original sentiment remains even after the reference in the actual words has died out

It helps with languages too - for instance 'beyond the pale' refers to beyond the palings where the palings are a picket fence. Someone on the outside the fence. In Spanish, a 'palillo' is a toothpick - like a tiny wooden paling. Absorbing all these connections helps me to remember the word because human brains work on connections and associations.

What I am saying is that no knowledge is useless and I like to absorb as much as I can as it's amazing when it comes in useful. ...

I agree - I love tracking down the roots of words/phrases, and it helps me remember. I was simply taking issue with the 'superior' tone implied in "Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?"

tamms_1965 Nov 4th 2009 6:48 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8071196)
I agree - I love tracking down the roots of words/phrases, and it helps me remember. I was simply taking issue with the 'superior' tone implied in "Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?"

This American would. Before I switched out of the English Lit dept. in college I had the chance to take a really good course called something like "Origin of Languages," (or something similar). It was actually quite interesting .... great professor probably made it so.

Leslie Nov 4th 2009 6:54 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 8071196)
I agree - I love tracking down the roots of words/phrases, and it helps me remember. I was simply taking issue with the 'superior' tone implied in "Would Americans generally have any clue about that kind of stuff?"

Word etymology was banned in the US during the cold war.

Sally Redux Nov 4th 2009 7:47 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 
So do Americans say 'posh' or not?

Bill_S Nov 4th 2009 8:12 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8071377)
So do Americans say 'posh' or not?

Only with a phony British accent.

Seriously, I'd say that the meaning is generally known (unlike "butty", for example), but the word is not commonly used by Americans.

meauxna Nov 4th 2009 8:13 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8071377)
So do Americans say 'posh' or not?

Only when we're making fun of Spice Girls.

Sally Redux Nov 4th 2009 8:14 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Bill_S (Post 8071443)
Only with a phony British accent.

Seriously, I'd say that the meaning is generally known (unlike "butty", for example), but the word is not commonly used by Americans.

Thanks, Bill.

Sally Redux Nov 4th 2009 8:14 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 8071448)
Only when we're making fun of Spice Girls.

:lol: Oh yeah forgot about her.

Leslie Nov 4th 2009 8:16 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8071377)
So do Americans say 'posh' or not?

Not excessively but a person with a halfway decent vocabulary will know what it means - this even before the Spice Girls.

cindyabs Nov 4th 2009 9:45 am

Re: Is your accent a problem here?
 

Originally Posted by Leslie66 (Post 8071459)
Not excessively but a person with a halfway decent vocabulary will know what it means - this even before the Spice Girls.

Hooked on phonics works for me!!! :thumbup:


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