WTF in America
Aug 9th 2020, 7:40 pm
#8491
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Re: WTF in America
Burglary is a young man's crime. If you lock up a habitual burglar until his 50th birthday he is statistically unlikely to reoffend.
AFAICT, having watched rather too many true crime videos on YT, the default in the Canadian justice system appears to be for the possibility of parole for first degree homicide after a period not exceeding 25 years, and for the possibility of parole for all other crimes after a period not exceeding 10 years. This is IMO waaaay too lenient in many cases, and especially for rape.
I am a supporter of reform of the US criminal just system, as in deed many people are in the US across the political spectrum, including to the right of my views, such as the Koch Brothers. There really needs to be a way, other than by pardon, to wipe criminal records, after say 10 years, as leaving ex-convicts with a permanent blot on their life that likely condemns them to live permanently outside of the economic mainstream has nothing to do with justice.
I am also doubtful that the death penalty is much of a deterrent, but I am still in favour as it tends to reduce the risk of reoffending. Much of the history of miscarriage of justice has been eliminated thanks to advances in DNA technology and other forensic sciences, and the likes of Chris Wattshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders deserves no more than to be dragged to the curb and shot like a rabid dog.
AFAICT, having watched rather too many true crime videos on YT, the default in the Canadian justice system appears to be for the possibility of parole for first degree homicide after a period not exceeding 25 years, and for the possibility of parole for all other crimes after a period not exceeding 10 years. This is IMO waaaay too lenient in many cases, and especially for rape.
I am a supporter of reform of the US criminal just system, as in deed many people are in the US across the political spectrum, including to the right of my views, such as the Koch Brothers. There really needs to be a way, other than by pardon, to wipe criminal records, after say 10 years, as leaving ex-convicts with a permanent blot on their life that likely condemns them to live permanently outside of the economic mainstream has nothing to do with justice.
I am also doubtful that the death penalty is much of a deterrent, but I am still in favour as it tends to reduce the risk of reoffending. Much of the history of miscarriage of justice has been eliminated thanks to advances in DNA technology and other forensic sciences, and the likes of Chris Wattshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders deserves no more than to be dragged to the curb and shot like a rabid dog.
prison system like Mexico. Give all but the worst one year followed by a long period of parole. Reoffend and you are back on the bus to Mexico for your full original sentence plus whatever new you qualify for. One year in a Mexican prison would be a great incentive to not return.
Aug 9th 2020, 7:41 pm
#8492
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Re: WTF in America
I agree, and that's my point. DNA testing was available in 1993, and it is unacceptable (to me at least), that a man was executed without the avaliable forensic evidence being subject to DNA testing. .... That's the beginning and end of my point on the subject.
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Aug 9th 2020, 7:51 pm
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Re: WTF in America
I agree, and that's my point. DNA testing was available in 1993, and that someone was executed with forensic evidence being subject to DNA testing is unacceptable (to me, at least). .... That's the beginning and end of my point on the subject, and you seem to be going out of your way to find bases to disagree with me. That often seems to be the case. 
Its stops re-offending, and DNA stops miscarriages. I did not consider these points to be well founded as arguments to support the death penalty.
Incarceration would seem to stop most re-offending opportunities too, though I acknowledge murder in prisons happens..I pointed out Lee, as one example of many were DNA may point to innocence and yet the person was killed anyway. I am not sure how I am going out of my way here. It seems a straight forward trajectory from your post. We disagree on many things, though I have always appreciated your contributions, even when I find them infuriating, as you always attempt to base them in logic and argument.
Aug 9th 2020, 8:12 pm
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Re: WTF in America
You support the death penalty, based on two stated issues, (This is how I saw the point you were making)
Its stops re-offending, and DNA stops miscarriages. I did not consider these points to be well founded as arguments to support the death penalty.
Incarceration would seem to stop most re-offending opportunities too, though I acknowledge murder in prisons happens.
Its stops re-offending, and DNA stops miscarriages. I did not consider these points to be well founded as arguments to support the death penalty.
Incarceration would seem to stop most re-offending opportunities too, though I acknowledge murder in prisons happens.
I pointed out Lee, as one example of many were DNA may point to innocence and yet the person was killed anyway. I am not sure how I am going out of my way here. ....
Aug 18th 2020, 12:14 am
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Re: WTF in America
First of all dumb enough to go to Sturgis Bike Week this year and then tries to pet a bison calf!
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
Aug 18th 2020, 12:54 am
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Re: WTF in America
Also, yes, I don't think that heading to Sturgis this year was the smartest idea either.
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Aug 18th 2020, 1:04 am
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Re: WTF in America
First of all dumb enough to go to Sturgis Bike Week this year and then tries to pet a bison calf!
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
Aug 18th 2020, 1:19 am
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Re: WTF in America
First of all dumb enough to go to Sturgis Bike Week this year and then tries to pet a bison calf!
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
https://www.twincities.com/2020/08/1...uffalo-in-s-d/
Aug 18th 2020, 1:37 am
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Aug 18th 2020, 4:24 am
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Re: WTF in America
Sugarmooma apparently knows a bunch of the 'Sturgis' crowd; hopefully she'll keep us informed!
Aug 18th 2020, 7:54 pm
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Aug 18th 2020, 8:01 pm
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Re: WTF in America
Words fail me: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y...-as-their-king
