"work to live" vs "live to work"
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
the question is vague for a reason-you've just met. i think the question youve answered is...how are you?
another way of asking is....who are you, or what's ur story and questions to the same effect...
i would normally expect something like....i'm a police officer/bartender etc....rather than place of birth or wellbeing.when i meet someone the question i'm normally asked after my name is what i do for which my answer would be as above.
what would your first question/expected answer be after you find out only someones name....lets assume from their accent its obvous where they're from.
another way of asking is....who are you, or what's ur story and questions to the same effect...
i would normally expect something like....i'm a police officer/bartender etc....rather than place of birth or wellbeing.when i meet someone the question i'm normally asked after my name is what i do for which my answer would be as above.
what would your first question/expected answer be after you find out only someones name....lets assume from their accent its obvous where they're from.
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
fair enough.....but i already said that that u have that information....so u wouldnt give it again just to prove a point would you? read the passage that u are quoting me on....
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
another way of asking is....who are you, or what's ur story and questions to the same effect...
i would normally expect something like....i'm a police officer/bartender etc....rather than place of birth or wellbeing.
i would normally expect something like....i'm a police officer/bartender etc....rather than place of birth or wellbeing.
what would your first question/expected answer be after you find out only someones name....lets assume from their accent its obvous where they're from.
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Precisely -- meet someone at a business conference and one is probably going to say, "I do such and such a job for such and such a company" in introduction. But at a party one might say "How do you know [host]" or "Do you live in [town]." At a benefit, "How long have you been interested in the museum/dog pound/whatever." I would only ever lead with my business information if meeting someone in the context of business.
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Precisely -- meet someone at a business conference and one is probably going to say, "I do such and such a job for such and such a company" in introduction. But at a party one might say "How do you know [host]" or "Do you live in [town]." At a benefit, "How long have you been interested in the museum/dog pound/whatever." I would only ever lead with my business information if meeting someone in the context of business.
I know that your view is shared amongs a lot of Brits, but if you look at the US and consider that their view is (mostly) the opposite, you can see the results....top movie industry of the world (Hollywood), top innovative companies in the world (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, twitter, Apple, CocaCola, Pepsico + hundreds more recognised by billions of people all over the world).
Without this "live to work" attitude these companies wouldn't exist, and these people would still be flipping burgers as most of them probably once were. Bearing in mind that the likes of Bill Gates/Steve Jobs and everyone who works/worked under them are all just normal people....they just decided to do something extra, is that so bad? We're all beniftting from it, so someone obviously did something right.
For those who have worked in UK companies which specialise in evolving technology you may have noticed that there is no innovation, and people very rarely enjoy their jobs. People just do what they need to do to get paid, then its off to the pub at 4:59pm with an expensive ipad/iPhone/macbook pro to buy 10 rounds of beer and complain that they don't have any money......I'm not surprised. :-)
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/inge...st_century.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
And I'm still waiting for something as useful as the "red button" on my TV over here.
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No innovation in the UK? You've been listening to those tales of U.S. exceptional for too long;
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/inge...st_century.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
And I'm still waiting for something as useful as the "red button" on my TV over here.
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/inge...st_century.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_discoveries
And I'm still waiting for something as useful as the "red button" on my TV over here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...s-6262290.html
There is something much more useful than a "red button"...its called Google, now available on TV :-)
Good list of inventions for the UK, but only a few are internationally recognised and recent (post-1980). If you look at the WWW/HTML/HTTP entries, although the inventor is British (as are most people here including myself) look at the strong affiliations with the non-UK instituations....including MIT. He is even a UK expat himself, living in MA - that strengthens my point....
Innovation isn't only about inventions anyway (although it is a large part)
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
The Independent actually, a few months ago.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...s-6262290.html
There is something much more useful than a "red button"...its called Google, now available on TV :-)
Good list of inventions for the UK, but only a few are internationally recognised and recent (post-1980). If you look at the WWW/HTML/HTTP entries, although the inventor is British (as are most people here including myself) look at the strong affiliations with the non-UK instituations....including MIT. He is even a UK expat himself, living in MA - that strengthens my point....
Innovation isn't only about inventions anyway (although it is a large part)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...s-6262290.html
There is something much more useful than a "red button"...its called Google, now available on TV :-)
Good list of inventions for the UK, but only a few are internationally recognised and recent (post-1980). If you look at the WWW/HTML/HTTP entries, although the inventor is British (as are most people here including myself) look at the strong affiliations with the non-UK instituations....including MIT. He is even a UK expat himself, living in MA - that strengthens my point....
Innovation isn't only about inventions anyway (although it is a large part)
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
Its a shame some people can't listen to a few negative facts about the country in a forum where most people would have a negative thought or two.
There would be negative and positive aspects of every country. Not discussing them doesn't make them go away. Not agreeing with the opinion is fine but many brits who love their country as I do agree with me.
There would be negative and positive aspects of every country. Not discussing them doesn't make them go away. Not agreeing with the opinion is fine but many brits who love their country as I do agree with me.
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Its a shame some people can't listen to a few negative facts about the country in a forum where most people would have a negative thought or two.
There would be negative and positive aspects of every country. Not discussing them doesn't make them go away. Not agreeing with the opinion is fine but many brits who love their country as I do agree with me.
There would be negative and positive aspects of every country. Not discussing them doesn't make them go away. Not agreeing with the opinion is fine but many brits who love their country as I do agree with me.
Let me try again.
It isn't that I don't want to or can't listen to "a few negative facts" - it is that I find you to be extremely boring to the point that I am simply not going to waste any more of my time reading your posts
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Btw, the topic has moved in from life/work to innovation....others have found it interesting, but if you don't go find one that you do find interesting.
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Haven't you tired of annoying people yet? Goodnight.
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I used to live to work in the US (I enjoyed my job and went to work looking forward to what the day would bring). At times working long hours to the exclusion of what some people might see as more normal pursuits got tedious, but I enjoyed some aspects of the work I did so much that I'd happily spend annual leave time doing them (just like a professional musician might get the guitar out on vacation).
These days my job sucks most of the time, largely because of the working conditions and management BS. I get a better salary than I did in the US, but can't get my job done unless I work weekends and evenings. Ironically, for me working in the US involved greater flexibility and less job-related stress than now working in the UK - but from what I read most people say about the US, their experience has been the opposite.
Even though I'm quite a way from retirement I have considered finding a position with lower salary in a location that suits me better than here (sorry to anyone from here, but central Scotland just doesn't do it for me), and spending more time in the garden, out on the bike, or actually taking a real vacation (instead of just "time off work").
These days my job sucks most of the time, largely because of the working conditions and management BS. I get a better salary than I did in the US, but can't get my job done unless I work weekends and evenings. Ironically, for me working in the US involved greater flexibility and less job-related stress than now working in the UK - but from what I read most people say about the US, their experience has been the opposite.
Even though I'm quite a way from retirement I have considered finding a position with lower salary in a location that suits me better than here (sorry to anyone from here, but central Scotland just doesn't do it for me), and spending more time in the garden, out on the bike, or actually taking a real vacation (instead of just "time off work").