Jerseygirl

that’s a shame, Victoria and Vancouver are very nice.

I can’t quite work out how cruise ships are going to be able to operate for the foreseeable future, maybe 2 - 3 years. Even if everyone has to produce a vaccination certificate, how do they know they are not fake? Parts of cruise ships are often crowded, theatre, dining rooms, pool deck etc. I wonder what percentage of passengers are needed to make the cruise financially viable. If insurance policies have a clause in them protecting against similar outbreaks, that could put people off.

Then of course there’s the air fares. The cost of flying could well put people off flying to a destination to embark or disembark a cruise.

scrubbedexpat091

Figured you had to stop somewhere in Canada, I am sure the various restrictions Canada has in place is basically making it impossible to have Alaska cruises.

andyrebell

I think most cruise goers will take up the vaccine to be fair they won't go on a ship if there is chance they are going to end up in the cabin for 2 weeks. They will probably will as you say insist upon a vac certificate but as you say and quite correctly could be faked. But they will be serious trouble for anyone who get caught with a fake certificate like a carnival wide ban off all 7 lines.

The big thing will be fuel they can't carry less of it even if less people onboard the ship won't be that much lighter. DJ Chris was telling me when I did the backstage tour on QM2 that fuel is like half the ticket price. And with less people onboard you get less revenue over the bar but there no real saving having less passenger weight onboard when I think the fuel generates a good chunk of the power and you will use pretty much the same amount power 75% full or 95%. They will have to increase the drinks cost and crack down on smuggling drink onboard to ensure they kept them revenue stream going. Instead of doing 1 back stage tour a cruise do 1 day I am sure there is demand It will come back it will just take time once the borders reopen.

But in the event something does come of this Australia thing with Princess and Carnival they could be banned from that part of the world that would be a real problem in some respect but I don't think anything will come of it. And apparently the new Cunard ship is going be called the Queen Anne

spouse of scouse

Yes, let's break it (and your other posts on the subject) down.

The team of 30 detectives have been seconded from other branches. That's because there wasn't already a ready-made team of cruise ship/coronavirus investigators sitting around waiting for a job. Can't think why. I suppose they could have rustled up a few parking meter inspectors instead.

Australian Federal and State government departments, in addition to Carnival Australia, are the ones being investigated. Some cover-up.

The matter is under criminal investigation because there are clear indicators than the country's national biosecurity laws and NSW's state laws have been broken - in order to determine if laws that attract criminal charges if broken have indeed been broken, a criminal investigation is necessary. You know, evidence?

Speaking of evidence, people who were passengers on the ship might have some. That might be why they're being asked to fill in a form with some questions. How you got from that to they're being investigated as terrorists is and will remain a mystery.

NSW Police's criminal investigation will cover the actions of the port authority, ambulance, police, the NSW Health department and Carnival Australia. Tell your chatty cruise friends they're being paranoid, they're not on the list.

The incident was a huge stuff up, and people in Australia would quite like to know how it happened so it doesn't happen again. 2,700 passengers were permitted to disembark, despite several of them having symptoms of the virus, with test results still pending. 10% of known cases of coronavirus in Australia originated from these passengers. 21 of them have died.

If you think all of that is a laughing matter then God help you, because I certainly can't.

andyrebell

Of course it is not a laughing matter. But the Government allowed it to dock at the end of the day. They did not impose a quarantine on persons coming off a cruise ship which suspected cases. They are asking about passengers, dinning companions all sorts out stuff apparently and they trying to say a crewman in the galley was the superspreader to call him that. I demand an offer of proof. Sounds like the health department and the port people will get it to me from what I have read. You can try and twist the facts anyway you want but they allowed off the ship despite 11 passengers in isolation and suspect Covid symptoms on board and need for Oxygen to a couple of patients.

spouse of scouse

I give up with you.

andyrebell

That is the timeline of events apparently.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...th-coronavirus

They were allowed off the ship with tests pending in a lab which had not yet returned results by the time the passengers got off. Once they got off the ship the test results came back hours later and positive.

BEVS

Rather good idea all round. Same for one or two others also posting total and utter codswallop about the place.

Jerseygirl

I am hearing you all...apparently the poster is question is not...

moneypenny20

With respect you're attempting to argue with Australian citizens who are on the ground, who know what mistakes were made and have posted here, just as you've done with regards to America.

Why you are so insistent on proving to everyone you know absolutely sweet fa on every subject you 'discuss' is beyond me. Read what people who know more than you are telling you. When that.hole you're digging is over your head, stop ****ing digging. You're not even entertaining any more.

Kooky.

Well this all got very weird.

paulry

Indeed it is. From a cursory pick through, apparently Aussie citizens with feet on the shag pile carpets of their Aussie lounges, who have been cooped up in their homes for well over a month, and as far as I'm aware none of whom live anywhere near Sydney's Darling Harbour are far more knowledgeable of the facts than someone on the other side of the world who has the very same access to newspaper and video reports.

But spare me the torment of reading through it all, what is this bunfight all about again?

spouse of scouse

I'm not saying I'm an oracle on the Ruby Princess incident but I have been following the investigation and the inquiry on SBS and the ABC. My post stated the facts as they are currently known, andy's posts talked about terrorism investigations and the cruise's passengers being under suspicion, neither of which are facts.

paulry

Ah, okay. Thanks.

I've heard nothing about any terrorism investigations. I've watched and read articles about incompetence and the owners of the Ruby Princess just wanting to offload the passengers with scant regard to anyone's safety, and that they lied or at least were less than truthful in order to do so.

BEVS

Missus to Missus.
Honestly, don't go there. Walk away. It just means some will escalate everything into something different simply for the say so and without any thought to the actual distress & loss that has been caused .
I'd say those of us in the Antipodes could talk about the ins and the outs sensibly on a dedicated thread but likely certain types looking to just agitate will follow. It really isn't worth it.