andyrebell

I know what is going on in America. Chaos is one word to describe it . Hardly worth it for something with a death rate of 0.05 if the true infection total were known and it is probably ten or twenty times higher than you think it is. The country could break up over this if it doesn't go bankrupt first. Cuomo nearly took new york out of union according to some english commentators had trump not backed out from the total quarantine of the state in March. Cuomo called it 'federal declaration of war' which some took to mean he would leave the union.

All them anti vax nuts have never lived through anything like this though have they?. They have never shut the country down for any illness before have they? I am sure people who have no insurance will get the money somehow and the illegals were never getting it anyway Trump is not thinking about them.

andyrebell

That is exactly what Trump will do if he has the power. You know him too well.

andyrebell

Again it depends upon whether or not the world works together to mass produce the vaccine with the native government compensating very handsomely the finding company. Though Oxford University doesn't want money just operating cost. Or if it is done on america first basis who knows what could happen. Though I suspect a lot of industrial spying will take place here.

SultanOfSwing

That was taking into consideration more than one lab creating vaccines. This is a rollout on a massive scale. Don't forget that other drugs still need to be produced as well as the vaccines, and production can only start when we know there is a vaccine that works and the side effects won't kill you. The idea that a vaccine will exist in any real, usable capacity in November, let alone be fully rolled out is, no offense, laughable.

Your election analogy isn't applicable, because not everyone votes, as only citizens over the age of 18 are eligible to vote, and turnouts in the US are on the order of 50% of that at the best of times. Only 139 million people voted in 2016 in the US, which is only 42% of the population. Even if not 100%, a damn sight more than 42% of Americans are going to need this vaccine, and it's a lot more involved than making a mark on a piece of paper in a booth. Social distancing will need to be observed, let alone good clinical hygiene standards on top of it. It will likely have to be rolled out in stages, both regionally and perhaps by some other breakdown like age, or date of birth. There is not going to be one day where 300+ million people all show up at once and get vaccinated. Could take weeks, or months to fully implement and the US is just one country out of nearly 200.

We need to be real here.

It's going to be an immense undertaking, unlike anything that has ever been done worldwide. If it takes less than six months from the first injection to the last I will be surprised.

Pulaski

Mass-producing vaccines requires a very specific type of industrial machinery - to produce the vaccine (the actual liquid), to measure doses, package and seal them, all of this must be in a sterile environment. And there aren't massive vaccine producing facilities just sitting idle, waiting to produce a yet-to-be-developed vaccine for a global pandemic, so it doesn't really matter if "the world works together", there aren't the factories containing the massively expensive manufacturing and packing equipment, just waiting, and it would take at least a year to build and equip such a plant, not becuase we can't build an industrial building in a few months, but becuase the production machinery is custom designed and built, and is specific to vaccine production - it isn't like buying a press to mold steel panels or welding torch that already exists and are just waiting for a buyer, these are massive custom-designed machines, built to order.

So much of your timelines and projections aren't even wishful thinking, they are fallacies based on a fundamental lack of understanding of what would be required to mass produce a vaccine on an unprecedented scale in an unprecedentedly short time frame.

andyrebell

Why would social distancing need to be observed at point of vaccination? You are being vaccinated by people who have been vaccinated already? And your vaccination immunises you against the illness therefore if you have it your body will knock it out or am I missing something? If we have to observe social distancing it will years. Put is this way how is America going to vote with a 2 meter distance per person when they can't vote online in case Russia really hacks it this time. Ironically in UK we vote with pencil and that can be rubbed out though there is no suggestion it is ever has been on mass.

You can do the schools in 1 day. We shared a school bus with 3 schools and had tetnus jab done in all 3 at the same time. And with regards to the adults invited to "the polling station locations" for want of a better term. You can do that by either the electoral register or the council tax records. From these 2 sources you can get a pretty complete listings of addresses for most people. Polling station locations can easily cope with demand better than doctors surgery could. And vaccinating all at once is the best way to prevent what? Rioting, looting, theft of vaccine, sale of stolen vaccine?

civilservant

You really don't have a clue do you?

Pulaski

Again you are waffling about things that you have no understanding of! US voting routinely allows mail-in voting by request, and also most states allow voting over several weeks - as much as six weeks before the actual polling day!

andyrebell

But aren't there countless hundreds even thousands of drug manufacturing facilities in USA and Europe and UK alone. Surely a few will be able to get involved. There are 100 in UK alone how many can do this I don't know but surely a few can.

Pulaski

So tell us, why wouldn't administering vaccines based on council tax records work in Georgia?

Pulaski

Do you even bother to read what I have already posted today!!!!

civilservant

I'm trying to figure out if you're being serious.... on the off chance you aren't, I'll explain.

No one renting pays 'council tax' - at least not directly

Oh and of course, voter suppression (a HUGE problem here in GA) means not everyone is a registered voter.

SultanOfSwing

Because you will have vaccinated and unvaccinated people in close contact with each other, any number of whom could be carriers, and you can't assume those who are administering the vaccines will have been vaccinated themselves. This isn't rocket science, social distancing will be observed long into 2021, mark my words.

That's three schools in one district in the UK. What's that, 3,000 kids at most, probably less than 1,000 for some areas? The UK has a population of 66 million. Come on.

Vaccinations can't be done all at once, there are not enough hours in one day to allow it, it is physically impossible. It will not be done by invitation either, likely by date of birth or NI number, or some other method.

As to the risk of vaccines being stolen, I may be a pacifist but even I know that most countries have enough soldiers with big guns to handle that kind of thing.

And that doesn't even take into account the fact that voter turnout in the US is generally less than 45% of the total population, at which point the comparison goes out the window.

All of which are manufacturing drugs that are needed on a daily basis by countless millions of people and will need to continue this while the vaccines are being made too.

You can try to reassure yourself all you want but for at least the next 18 months, this is the new normal.

Guindalf

Who is the bigger fool? The fool himself or he who argues with him?

BEVS

I gave myself that exact slap yesterday. Not for arguing. For wasting my time explaining something that I knew would be swept aside without pause.