Waived / Overcome
#1
Waived / Overcome
Hey there
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/...saCategory.pdf
If I look at the first line, A1 visa as an example....What does the Waived/Overcome mean? Does that have anything to do or related to "refused"?
Trying to figure this out - if the total applications are 13,001..of which 2,389 were refused...meaning a 18 percent decline rate...1 in 5. Wondering if that is right or the 2,246 of the waived/overcome needs to be considered.
Thanks so much.
EDIT:
Actually let me edit. I wanted statistics by visa class. # applications, #denied etc. So I googled it to find this link. So using this link, let's use A1 as an example...18% denied so I started thinking 1 in 5 declines sounds high (of course I don't know anything about what is average etc. Just curious)
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/...saCategory.pdf
If I look at the first line, A1 visa as an example....What does the Waived/Overcome mean? Does that have anything to do or related to "refused"?
Trying to figure this out - if the total applications are 13,001..of which 2,389 were refused...meaning a 18 percent decline rate...1 in 5. Wondering if that is right or the 2,246 of the waived/overcome needs to be considered.
Thanks so much.
EDIT:
Actually let me edit. I wanted statistics by visa class. # applications, #denied etc. So I googled it to find this link. So using this link, let's use A1 as an example...18% denied so I started thinking 1 in 5 declines sounds high (of course I don't know anything about what is average etc. Just curious)
Last edited by E3only; Oct 12th 2015 at 11:33 pm.
#2
Re: Waived / Overcome
Per that table the third column is the sum of the first two: Issued + Declined = Workload. Scanning down the table, it looks as if about 20%-25% of applications for most visa classes are declined, which sounds about right to me.
I would guess that the Waived/Overcome figure, which is part of the issued number, is those for which there was an issue for which a waiver was required, the issue was "overcome", and the visa issued. As a waiver takes a number of months, often crossing a year end, it would distort the data if you had a separate column that was added in to the Workload column, because you'd be including applications from last year in this year's workload.
I would guess that the Waived/Overcome figure, which is part of the issued number, is those for which there was an issue for which a waiver was required, the issue was "overcome", and the visa issued. As a waiver takes a number of months, often crossing a year end, it would distort the data if you had a separate column that was added in to the Workload column, because you'd be including applications from last year in this year's workload.
Last edited by Pulaski; Oct 13th 2015 at 10:17 am.
#3
Re: Waived / Overcome
Per that table the third column is the sum of the first two: Issued + Declined = Workload. Scanning down the table, it looks as if about 20%-25% of applications for most visa classes are declined, which sounds about right to me.
I would guess that the Waived/Overcome figure, which is part of the issued number, is those for which there was an issue for which a waiver was required, the issue was "overcome", and the visa issued. As a waiver takes a number of months, often crossing a year end, it would distort the data if you had a separate column that was added in to the Workload column, because you'd be including applications from last year in this year's workload.
I would guess that the Waived/Overcome figure, which is part of the issued number, is those for which there was an issue for which a waiver was required, the issue was "overcome", and the visa issued. As a waiver takes a number of months, often crossing a year end, it would distort the data if you had a separate column that was added in to the Workload column, because you'd be including applications from last year in this year's workload.
#4
Re: Waived / Overcome
The end result is always either "Approved" or "Declined", with waivers been processed into one of the two possible end results.
ETA If you try to apply your logic to rows T2 and T3, you end up with a negative number!
Last edited by Pulaski; Oct 13th 2015 at 5:20 pm.
#5
Re: Waived / Overcome
I think you're misreading the numbers. The "Declined" number is those who were actually declined - "Declined" is the end result.
The end result is always either "Approved" or "Declined", with waivers been processed into one of the two possible end results.
ETA If you try to apply your logic to rows T2 and T3, you end up with a negative number!
The end result is always either "Approved" or "Declined", with waivers been processed into one of the two possible end results.
ETA If you try to apply your logic to rows T2 and T3, you end up with a negative number!
I would think to arrive at the true rate of approval, the overcome/waived need to be netted to Declines?
I don't know why but I think a 20% decline rate (as a final decision) sounds high.
Oh well.
#6
Re: Waived / Overcome
And by necessity, if you need a visa there is a good chance that America isn't going to like you, so I don't consider a 20% rejection rate at all unlikely. Bear in mind that 25% of the British population have some sort of criminal record, which is going to automatically disqualify a very large proportion of that 25%, including almost everyone with any sort of drug conviction.
In fact, on thinking about it, if you're British and need a visa it wouldn't surprise me if the rejection rate is over 50%. Even among those British citizens just fancy a longer stay than 90 days, they are very commonly rejected, apparently just because America prefers that they use the VWP.
Last edited by Pulaski; Oct 14th 2015 at 2:13 am.
#7
Re: Waived / Overcome
No. The third column is the sum of the first and the second. The fourth is not part of the equation and cannot be added or subtracted from any other column to get any useful information, if it made sense to do so the table would have a fifth column. But it sounds like we will have to agree to disagree on that point.
And by necessity, if you need a visa there is a good chance that America isn't going to like you, so I don't consider a 20% rejection rate at all unlikely. Bear in mind that 25% of the British population have some sort of criminal record, which is going to automatically disqualify a very large proportion of that 25%, including almost everyone with any sort of drug conviction.
In fact, on thinking about it, if you're British and need a visa it wouldn't surprise me if the rejection rate is over 50%. Even among those British citizens just fancy a longer stay than 90 days, they are very commonly rejected, apparently just because America prefers that they use the VWP.
And by necessity, if you need a visa there is a good chance that America isn't going to like you, so I don't consider a 20% rejection rate at all unlikely. Bear in mind that 25% of the British population have some sort of criminal record, which is going to automatically disqualify a very large proportion of that 25%, including almost everyone with any sort of drug conviction.
In fact, on thinking about it, if you're British and need a visa it wouldn't surprise me if the rejection rate is over 50%. Even among those British citizens just fancy a longer stay than 90 days, they are very commonly rejected, apparently just because America prefers that they use the VWP.
Some Visa Categories Are More Vulnerable than Others | Center for Immigration Studies
These guys are netting Waived/Overcome against declines.
#8
Re: Waived / Overcome
I don't know if these guys a reputable but found this...
Some Visa Categories Are More Vulnerable than Others | Center for Immigration Studies
These guys are netting Waived/Overcome against declines.
Some Visa Categories Are More Vulnerable than Others | Center for Immigration Studies
These guys are netting Waived/Overcome against declines.