Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
Aug 16th 2007, 3:38 pm
#196
Mr. Grumpy
Joined: Jun 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
I don't agree that the Fusion is a POS and that's not a salesman talking that is opinion from people who have bought them. Buyers are very happy with the Fusion.
However your comment about the European models rings true. The fit, finish, appearance and driveability of many models from across the pond is much better. I wish we had the Mondeo here, and the Turbo Diesel 4-door Ranger. Take a look at the new German-made Focus in comparison to the one we get here.
However your comment about the European models rings true. The fit, finish, appearance and driveability of many models from across the pond is much better. I wish we had the Mondeo here, and the Turbo Diesel 4-door Ranger. Take a look at the new German-made Focus in comparison to the one we get here.
Aug 17th 2007, 5:11 pm
#197
Lost in BE Cyberspace
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
. For all those experts out there.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can't just put their faith in a trusted brand name when it comes to looking for a new car.
Nissan and Hyundai had models in both the highest and lowest rankings of Consumer Reports predicted-reliability survey this year, according to the magazine.
Nissan's luxury brand, Infiniti, had two of the most reliable models -- the Infiniti M35 and M45. But four Nissan cars -- the Nissan Quest, Armada and Titan and and Infiniti QX56 -- landed on the list of worst for predicted reliability.
For Hyundai, Consumer Reports predicted, the Hyundai Tucson SUV will likely have poor reliability, while theSanta Fe SUV and and the Elantra should have average reliability. Reliability for the newly redesigned Sonata remains unknown.
"The message to consumers is clear: You can't gauge reliability based only on a nameplate. Some automakers do have a better track record but individual models -- especially newer ones -- can have some problems," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center, in a statement. "New-car buyers should always check our reliability rating for the model they're buying."
Of the 31 cars that earned the top rating, only two were from U.S.-based manufacturers -- the remaining 29 vehicles were from Japanese automakers, and none represented European brands. Almost half of the top 31 -- 15 vehicles -- were manufactured by Toyota.
Of the vehicles with the worst reliability, 22 were from U.S.-based manufacturers, 20 from European brands, four from Japanese makers and two from South Korean companies.
Hybrid models turned in above-average results, despite their complex mechanical drivetrains. Hybrids use both gasoline engines and electric motors that run on batteries charged by the gasoline engine.
Consumer Reports surveyed the owners of more than a million vehicles. Owners were surveyed through the magazine's Web site and through surveys mailed to subscribers. To calculate predicted reliability for 2006 model-year vehicles, the magazine averaged overall reliability scores for the last three model years, provided that the vehicle remained substantially unchanged over that time. For vehicles that were new or substantially redesigned during that time, data from the just one or two years was used.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can't just put their faith in a trusted brand name when it comes to looking for a new car.
Nissan and Hyundai had models in both the highest and lowest rankings of Consumer Reports predicted-reliability survey this year, according to the magazine.
Nissan's luxury brand, Infiniti, had two of the most reliable models -- the Infiniti M35 and M45. But four Nissan cars -- the Nissan Quest, Armada and Titan and and Infiniti QX56 -- landed on the list of worst for predicted reliability.
For Hyundai, Consumer Reports predicted, the Hyundai Tucson SUV will likely have poor reliability, while theSanta Fe SUV and and the Elantra should have average reliability. Reliability for the newly redesigned Sonata remains unknown.
"The message to consumers is clear: You can't gauge reliability based only on a nameplate. Some automakers do have a better track record but individual models -- especially newer ones -- can have some problems," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center, in a statement. "New-car buyers should always check our reliability rating for the model they're buying."
Of the 31 cars that earned the top rating, only two were from U.S.-based manufacturers -- the remaining 29 vehicles were from Japanese automakers, and none represented European brands. Almost half of the top 31 -- 15 vehicles -- were manufactured by Toyota.
Of the vehicles with the worst reliability, 22 were from U.S.-based manufacturers, 20 from European brands, four from Japanese makers and two from South Korean companies.
Hybrid models turned in above-average results, despite their complex mechanical drivetrains. Hybrids use both gasoline engines and electric motors that run on batteries charged by the gasoline engine.
Consumer Reports surveyed the owners of more than a million vehicles. Owners were surveyed through the magazine's Web site and through surveys mailed to subscribers. To calculate predicted reliability for 2006 model-year vehicles, the magazine averaged overall reliability scores for the last three model years, provided that the vehicle remained substantially unchanged over that time. For vehicles that were new or substantially redesigned during that time, data from the just one or two years was used.
Aug 17th 2007, 5:24 pm
#198
Peace onion
Joined: Jul 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 5,686
Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
According to KBB, my diesel Jetta with 15k on it is worth $1,000 more than I payed for it.
Mmm, diesel... is there anything it can't do?
Mmm, diesel... is there anything it can't do?
Aug 17th 2007, 5:49 pm
#199
BE Forum Addict
Joined: Jun 2007
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
. For all those experts out there.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can't just put their faith in a trusted brand name when it comes to looking for a new car.
Nissan and Hyundai had models in both the highest and lowest rankings of Consumer Reports predicted-reliability survey this year, according to the magazine.
Nissan's luxury brand, Infiniti, had two of the most reliable models -- the Infiniti M35 and M45. But four Nissan cars -- the Nissan Quest, Armada and Titan and and Infiniti QX56 -- landed on the list of worst for predicted reliability.
For Hyundai, Consumer Reports predicted, the Hyundai Tucson SUV will likely have poor reliability, while theSanta Fe SUV and and the Elantra should have average reliability. Reliability for the newly redesigned Sonata remains unknown.
"The message to consumers is clear: You can't gauge reliability based only on a nameplate. Some automakers do have a better track record but individual models -- especially newer ones -- can have some problems," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center, in a statement. "New-car buyers should always check our reliability rating for the model they're buying."
Of the 31 cars that earned the top rating, only two were from U.S.-based manufacturers -- the remaining 29 vehicles were from Japanese automakers, and none represented European brands. Almost half of the top 31 -- 15 vehicles -- were manufactured by Toyota.
Of the vehicles with the worst reliability, 22 were from U.S.-based manufacturers, 20 from European brands, four from Japanese makers and two from South Korean companies.
Hybrid models turned in above-average results, despite their complex mechanical drivetrains. Hybrids use both gasoline engines and electric motors that run on batteries charged by the gasoline engine.
Consumer Reports surveyed the owners of more than a million vehicles. Owners were surveyed through the magazine's Web site and through surveys mailed to subscribers. To calculate predicted reliability for 2006 model-year vehicles, the magazine averaged overall reliability scores for the last three model years, provided that the vehicle remained substantially unchanged over that time. For vehicles that were new or substantially redesigned during that time, data from the just one or two years was used.
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Consumers can't just put their faith in a trusted brand name when it comes to looking for a new car.
Nissan and Hyundai had models in both the highest and lowest rankings of Consumer Reports predicted-reliability survey this year, according to the magazine.
Nissan's luxury brand, Infiniti, had two of the most reliable models -- the Infiniti M35 and M45. But four Nissan cars -- the Nissan Quest, Armada and Titan and and Infiniti QX56 -- landed on the list of worst for predicted reliability.
For Hyundai, Consumer Reports predicted, the Hyundai Tucson SUV will likely have poor reliability, while theSanta Fe SUV and and the Elantra should have average reliability. Reliability for the newly redesigned Sonata remains unknown.
"The message to consumers is clear: You can't gauge reliability based only on a nameplate. Some automakers do have a better track record but individual models -- especially newer ones -- can have some problems," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center, in a statement. "New-car buyers should always check our reliability rating for the model they're buying."
Of the 31 cars that earned the top rating, only two were from U.S.-based manufacturers -- the remaining 29 vehicles were from Japanese automakers, and none represented European brands. Almost half of the top 31 -- 15 vehicles -- were manufactured by Toyota.
Of the vehicles with the worst reliability, 22 were from U.S.-based manufacturers, 20 from European brands, four from Japanese makers and two from South Korean companies.
Hybrid models turned in above-average results, despite their complex mechanical drivetrains. Hybrids use both gasoline engines and electric motors that run on batteries charged by the gasoline engine.
Consumer Reports surveyed the owners of more than a million vehicles. Owners were surveyed through the magazine's Web site and through surveys mailed to subscribers. To calculate predicted reliability for 2006 model-year vehicles, the magazine averaged overall reliability scores for the last three model years, provided that the vehicle remained substantially unchanged over that time. For vehicles that were new or substantially redesigned during that time, data from the just one or two years was used.
Aug 17th 2007, 7:07 pm
#200
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
The only diesel car I have ever driven that doesn't sound like your driving a diesel was an ex's BMW 320D and my old bosses 530D - both of them were amazingly quiet. I had a diesel seat company car in the UK, it sounded like a diesel. BMW seem to have cracked the problem with diesel engine noise. My boss said his 530 had electronic dampers that measured vibration and adjusted accordingly; cool stuff!
Aug 17th 2007, 7:21 pm
#201
Peace onion
Joined: Jul 2006
Location: Denver
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
75% of BMWs sold in Europe are diesel.
I just thought of something my car can't do; tow a horse trailer.
The circle is complete.
I just thought of something my car can't do; tow a horse trailer.
The circle is complete.
Sep 25th 2007, 2:58 am
#202
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
I'll revive an old thread just to talk about my new truck some more 
I was emailed this today; I think its the video Dakota was talking about.
It is obviously biased as it was shot at a Toyota dealership, but its funny to watch (unless you own an F150).
Did I mention i got a new truck?
I was emailed this today; I think its the video Dakota was talking about.
It is obviously biased as it was shot at a Toyota dealership, but its funny to watch (unless you own an F150).
Did I mention i got a new truck?
Actually..gravity is what keeps tires "glued" to the road.
That aside, I think you've either missed what I was implying or chose to ignore it. If the Ford/Chevy/Dodge geezer stood hard on the loud pedal as the tart dropped her knickers and the guy in the Toyota pressed the accelerator down slower who is going to break traction first? The guy in the domestic truck is because he was driving like a tit, the Toyota then holds the weight of the other truck and can pull it as the other vehicle continues to light them up. Therefore when you said "so when those trucks could not move the unmovable, the tires lost traction from the effort" you didnt even consider what I said about the driver of the Ford/Chevy/Dodge deliberately sabotaging its chances of winning.
This is even more likely what happened given you admission of.....
So nice of you to admit that it was a completely one sided and unfair competition but a bit confusing as to why you would actually post those links in the first place as some kind of advertisment for Toyota and then enlighten us that it was a rigged event.
That aside, I think you've either missed what I was implying or chose to ignore it. If the Ford/Chevy/Dodge geezer stood hard on the loud pedal as the tart dropped her knickers and the guy in the Toyota pressed the accelerator down slower who is going to break traction first? The guy in the domestic truck is because he was driving like a tit, the Toyota then holds the weight of the other truck and can pull it as the other vehicle continues to light them up. Therefore when you said "so when those trucks could not move the unmovable, the tires lost traction from the effort" you didnt even consider what I said about the driver of the Ford/Chevy/Dodge deliberately sabotaging its chances of winning.
This is even more likely what happened given you admission of.....
So nice of you to admit that it was a completely one sided and unfair competition but a bit confusing as to why you would actually post those links in the first place as some kind of advertisment for Toyota and then enlighten us that it was a rigged event.
Sep 25th 2007, 12:55 pm
#204
Militant Ginger
Joined: Feb 2007
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
I know a lot of people have had mixed opinions about them, but my BIL has a Ford F-250 for his business and it's a great old truck. He's got a diesel engine and it pulls like... well, a truck.
I snapped this picture when I first arrived - show my friends in England what a REAL pick-up truck looks like!!
I snapped this picture when I first arrived - show my friends in England what a REAL pick-up truck looks like!!
Sep 25th 2007, 1:16 pm
#205
Unmitigated Gall
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
I know a lot of people have had mixed opinions about them, but my BIL has a Ford F-250 for his business and it's a great old truck. He's got a diesel engine and it pulls like... well, a truck.
I snapped this picture when I first arrived - show my friends in England what a REAL pick-up truck looks like!!
http://bp0.blogger.com/_sBLxX3sph8M/...ttle+truck.JPG
I snapped this picture when I first arrived - show my friends in England what a REAL pick-up truck looks like!!
http://bp0.blogger.com/_sBLxX3sph8M/...ttle+truck.JPG
Sep 25th 2007, 1:41 pm
#206
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Sep 25th 2007, 1:43 pm
#207
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Sep 25th 2007, 2:05 pm
#208
Unmitigated Gall
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Re: Time to replace the Gas guzzling behemoth
