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Old May 28th 2008, 11:33 pm
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OK so my wife is from the South and was taught to say "Sir" and "Ma'am" as a sign of respect to her elders. But I feel this is somewhat subservient as I come from a military family, so to me Sir and Ma'am imply superiority, and I was brought up to treat everyone as equals regardless of age. I'm sure if I ever called anyone in my family Sir I would get reprimanded for it. So I was wondering is this just a cultural thing or am I just uncouth? I suppose both is possible as well.
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There are loads of "Sir this, and Lady that," in Britain. How do you address them? Are they more special human beings because they were given or inherited, a title?

Or is that different?
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OK so my wife is from the South and was taught to say "Sir" and "Ma'am" as a sign of respect to her elders. But I feel this is somewhat subservient as I come from a military family, so to me Sir and Ma'am imply superiority, and I was brought up to treat everyone as equals regardless of age. I'm sure if I ever called anyone in my family Sir I would get reprimanded for it. So I was wondering is this just a cultural thing or am I just uncouth? I suppose both is possible as well.
I think it depends upon the part of the country.

In the south - they do that.

Yankee 'ol me would feel the same as you do.
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Old May 29th 2008, 12:54 am
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Originally Posted by Mallory
There are loads of "Sir this, and Lady that," in Britain. How do you address them? Are they more special human beings because they were given or inherited, a title?

Or is that different?
I would have said more politeness
I know a few Sirs and Ladies even a Lord
In a public setting I always use the title...in a private setting
just their real name.. ..

One daughter of a princess I know ..has no title because her dad
refuse an Earldom....
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I think Sir and Ma'am are just ways of being polite - they get used up here in Maine. I know my husband uses them at work and I've been called Ma'am.
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I actually like the term Sir, Ma'am or Miss being used...it sounds polite which is very refreshing these days.
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OK so my wife is from the South and was taught to say "Sir" and "Ma'am" as a sign of respect to her elders. But I feel this is somewhat subservient as I come from a military family, so to me Sir and Ma'am imply superiority, and I was brought up to treat everyone as equals regardless of age. I'm sure if I ever called anyone in my family Sir I would get reprimanded for it. So I was wondering is this just a cultural thing or am I just uncouth? I suppose both is possible as well.
You're reading too much into it.
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I actually like the term Sir, Ma'am or Miss being used...it sounds polite which is very refreshing these days.
Me too, it's something that just doesn't happen in the UK and I kind of like it.
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Me too, it's something that just doesn't happen in the UK and I kind of like it.
A few months ago I was in M & S's foodhall in Manchester...after paying the cashier said 'Thank you ma'am'. It was then I realised he was American.
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A few months ago I was in M & S's foodhall in Manchester...after paying the cashier said 'Thank you ma'am'. It was then I realised he was American.
How did a Yank end up a supermarket cashier in Manchester?
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OK so my wife is from the South and was taught to say "Sir" and "Ma'am" as a sign of respect to her elders. But I feel this is somewhat subservient as I come from a military family, so to me Sir and Ma'am imply superiority, and I was brought up to treat everyone as equals regardless of age. I'm sure if I ever called anyone in my family Sir I would get reprimanded for it. So I was wondering is this just a cultural thing or am I just uncouth? I suppose both is possible as well.
Where I grew up (southern Ohio) it was used mainly by students to address their elders (esp. teachers, ministers, your friends' parents, etc). You were thought of as being polite and "brought up right" if you addressed them this way. The way you conducted yourself in public was considered a reflection of your family.

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Originally Posted by another bloody yank
How did a Yank end up a supermarket cashier in Manchester?
No idea...I suppose he could have been a student working in his spare time...he looked in his 30's though. He was from Texas.

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OK so my wife is from the South and was taught to say "Sir" and "Ma'am" as a sign of respect to her elders. But I feel this is somewhat subservient as I come from a military family, so to me Sir and Ma'am imply superiority, and I was brought up to treat everyone as equals regardless of age. I'm sure if I ever called anyone in my family Sir I would get reprimanded for it. So I was wondering is this just a cultural thing or am I just uncouth? I suppose both is possible as well.

Sir and Ma'am is a southern form of address to one's elders and yes, elders are to be considered "superior". So your issue again is?????

My grandson, age 30 months, is already being taught to address his elders as sir and/or ma'am. My son-in-law calls me "ma'am"

I don't go along with the equality thing unless it is in terms of social opportunities.

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Sir and Ma'am is a southern form of address to one's elders and yes, elders are to be considered "superior". So your issue again is?????

My grandson, age 30 months, is already being taught to address his elders as sir and/or ma'am. My son-in-law calls me "ma'am"

I don't go along with the equality thing unless it is in terms of social opportunities.
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
I actually like the term Sir, Ma'am or Miss being used...it sounds polite which is very refreshing these days.

I have been known to tell sales people, during telephone calls and in person, "Excuse me, but I do not recall giving you permission to address me by my first name." My thought is: If you want to sell me something then be polite and address me as Ms. Wilson or under your breath "bitch" but do not assume you, who are probably 30 years younger than I am, have the right to address me by my first name.
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