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[QUOTE=KJ2007;5343191]Well - it depends. In my class on Thursday our professor told us that it takes more than a gallon of gas to produce a gallon of ethanol. QUOTE]

Sorry to drift OT a bit....not heard that before - was he talking about bioethanol or ethanol from hydrocarbons?

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[QUOTE=Yorkieabroad;5362416]It's ethanol from corn, sugar is much better.

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"How would you prevent Turkey (a NATO member and EU candidate BTW) immediately invading Kurdistan"

well .... then its someone elses problem

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[QUOTE=paddingtongreen;5362662]Yes, you're correct - he was referring to corn.

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[QUOTE=KJ2007;5366373]I read somewhere recently that it would take something like 4 or 5 times the land area of the US to produce enough corn for ethanol to power the US auto market. Thats a lot of land!

Did he have any equivalent comparisons (gas gallons used) for ethanol production from other sources?

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[QUOTE=Yorkieabroad;5366589]He may have, but it wasn't a long drawn out conversation. He was frustrated because he had friends who were farmers who were thinking of changing their usual crops to corn for the purpose of ethanol production. I think he thought they didn't have the facts and were making a poor decision.

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[QUOTE=KJ2007;5366616]
Ah, I thought it had been the class he was teaching at the time. Its got to be a real and serious problem - from the individual farmers point of view, it seems a godsend having an additional market land in their laps. From a national/global point of view unless its managed correctly, it has the potential to stress all sorts of different supply chains...

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[QUOTE=Yorkieabroad;5366637]Exactly!

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You should be the next US ambassador to the UN.

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Well, if a sovereign nation wants to invade another, there's little we should really do to stop it. If we follow that path, then Cyprus has a case for full intervention to remove Turkey from its shores, rather than the weird policing action we (that is Britain and some other nations) are involved in (I'm a little fuzzier on Cyprus than I used to be). But, throw Turkey out of NATO and refuse entry to the EU, and shore up the borders and impose sanctions would be a way to "punish" them for it, no? The problem with Turkey being a member of NATO is that we kind of have a obligation to help them militarily if they get involved in this kid of enterprise. If we can carrot and stick Turkey away from invading Kurdistan, it would be better than bombing Turkey for it.

However I am still for a let 'em duke it out kind of approach. Western Europe's borders were fought for by those who found them worth fighting for. South Eastern Europe and Middle East was apportioned upon them by foreign powers, within the lifetimes of some people who still live there. There is a chance at a diplomatic solution, but eventually, I feel we may have to step out of the way and let them fight for it, as horrible as it may seem, but too much intervention assumes that we have some sort of moral high-ground which I don't think we deserve to proclaim. The people of these regions are adults, and we should treat them as such, even if they want to act like children.

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You should be the next US ambassador to the UN.

hehe turks are good people there Germany's Mexicans =-)

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And the Netherlands, if you mean for a cheap labour supply.

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ya i guess

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Hiya Mike how's it going? :)