Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the English
May 29th 2011, 12:45 pm
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
This will have to do instead of the little popcorn eating icon, I'm just here for the floor show.Carry on....
May 31st 2011, 12:55 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthC...ory?id=8930142
By JOSEPH BROWNSTEIN
ABC News Medical Unit
Oct. 29, 2009
In the course of the debate over health care reform, some of the political rhetoric has focused on "rationing" and the idea of how much money can or should be spent on someone at the end of his or her life. But as care evolves, similar debates may someday surround how much can be spent at life's beginning.
Few cases illustrate this as starkly as a baby born prematurely at 21 weeks and five days in Britain last month, who died as doctors declined to resuscitate him. Sarah Capewell, the mother of the deceased infant, started Justice for Jayden, a bid to change the guidelines for early preterm babies in the United Kingdom.
The doctors in the case were following guidelines that establish viability for babies in the U.K. at 22 weeks. The case has been seized upon by some opponents of nationalized health care in the United States as a reason to avoid it, sparking fears that inevitably "rationing" will mean rationing at both the end and the beginning of life.
By JOSEPH BROWNSTEIN
ABC News Medical Unit
Oct. 29, 2009
In the course of the debate over health care reform, some of the political rhetoric has focused on "rationing" and the idea of how much money can or should be spent on someone at the end of his or her life. But as care evolves, similar debates may someday surround how much can be spent at life's beginning.
Few cases illustrate this as starkly as a baby born prematurely at 21 weeks and five days in Britain last month, who died as doctors declined to resuscitate him. Sarah Capewell, the mother of the deceased infant, started Justice for Jayden, a bid to change the guidelines for early preterm babies in the United Kingdom.
The doctors in the case were following guidelines that establish viability for babies in the U.K. at 22 weeks. The case has been seized upon by some opponents of nationalized health care in the United States as a reason to avoid it, sparking fears that inevitably "rationing" will mean rationing at both the end and the beginning of life.
May 31st 2011, 12:57 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
http://mises.org/story/3650
What Soviet Medicine Teaches Us
Mises Daily by Yuri N. Maltsev | Posted on 8/21/2009 12:00:00 AM
In 1918, the Soviet Union became the first country to promise universal "cradle-to-grave" healthcare coverage, to be accomplished through the complete socialization of medicine. The "right to health" became a "constitutional right" of Soviet citizens.
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What Soviet Medicine Teaches Us
Mises Daily by Yuri N. Maltsev | Posted on 8/21/2009 12:00:00 AM
In 1918, the Soviet Union became the first country to promise universal "cradle-to-grave" healthcare coverage, to be accomplished through the complete socialization of medicine. The "right to health" became a "constitutional right" of Soviet citizens.
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May 31st 2011, 12:59 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthC...ory?id=8930142
By JOSEPH BROWNSTEIN
ABC News Medical Unit
Oct. 29, 2009
In the course of the debate over health care reform, some of the political rhetoric has focused on "rationing" and the idea of how much money can or should be spent on someone at the end of his or her life. But as care evolves, similar debates may someday surround how much can be spent at life's beginning.
Few cases illustrate this as starkly as a baby born prematurely at 21 weeks and five days in Britain last month, who died as doctors declined to resuscitate him. Sarah Capewell, the mother of the deceased infant, started Justice for Jayden, a bid to change the guidelines for early preterm babies in the United Kingdom.
The doctors in the case were following guidelines that establish viability for babies in the U.K. at 22 weeks. The case has been seized upon by some opponents of nationalized health care in the United States as a reason to avoid it, sparking fears that inevitably "rationing" will mean rationing at both the end and the beginning of life.
By JOSEPH BROWNSTEIN
ABC News Medical Unit
Oct. 29, 2009
In the course of the debate over health care reform, some of the political rhetoric has focused on "rationing" and the idea of how much money can or should be spent on someone at the end of his or her life. But as care evolves, similar debates may someday surround how much can be spent at life's beginning.
Few cases illustrate this as starkly as a baby born prematurely at 21 weeks and five days in Britain last month, who died as doctors declined to resuscitate him. Sarah Capewell, the mother of the deceased infant, started Justice for Jayden, a bid to change the guidelines for early preterm babies in the United Kingdom.
The doctors in the case were following guidelines that establish viability for babies in the U.K. at 22 weeks. The case has been seized upon by some opponents of nationalized health care in the United States as a reason to avoid it, sparking fears that inevitably "rationing" will mean rationing at both the end and the beginning of life.
To be sure, doctors contacted by ABC News were unanimous in their assessment that Jayden would almost certainly not have survived, even with resuscitation.
"The probability of survival at 22 weeks is effectively zero," said Dr. F. Sessions Cole, director of the division of newborn medicine at Washington University in St. Louis.
If you think that healthcare is not already rationed in the USA then you're an even bigger fool than I thought you were.
May 31st 2011, 1:12 am
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May 31st 2011, 1:21 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
It is rationed by price. You get what you pay for.
In Britain there is non-price rationing. It doesn't matter what you can afford or what you are willing to pay for, if a bureaucrat doesn't approve it it isn't happening.
May 31st 2011, 1:22 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
LOL Bullshit, how would you know? Private healthcare is available to anyone who can pay for it in the UK.
May 31st 2011, 1:30 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
Sometimes.
Executives of three of the nation's largest health insurers told federal lawmakers in Washington on Tuesday that they would continue canceling medical coverage for some sick policyholders, despite withering criticism from Republican and Democratic members of Congress who decried the practice as unfair and abusive.
The hearing on the controversial action known as rescission, which has left thousands of Americans burdened with costly medical bills despite paying insurance premiums, began a day after President Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation's healthcare system.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...s/fi-rescind17
Executives of three of the nation's largest health insurers told federal lawmakers in Washington on Tuesday that they would continue canceling medical coverage for some sick policyholders, despite withering criticism from Republican and Democratic members of Congress who decried the practice as unfair and abusive.
The hearing on the controversial action known as rescission, which has left thousands of Americans burdened with costly medical bills despite paying insurance premiums, began a day after President Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation's healthcare system.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...s/fi-rescind17
May 31st 2011, 1:38 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
Sometimes.
Executives of three of the nation's largest health insurers told federal lawmakers in Washington on Tuesday that they would continue canceling medical coverage for some sick policyholders, despite withering criticism from Republican and Democratic members of Congress who decried the practice as unfair and abusive.
The hearing on the controversial action known as rescission, which has left thousands of Americans burdened with costly medical bills despite paying insurance premiums, began a day after President Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation's healthcare system.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...s/fi-rescind17
Executives of three of the nation's largest health insurers told federal lawmakers in Washington on Tuesday that they would continue canceling medical coverage for some sick policyholders, despite withering criticism from Republican and Democratic members of Congress who decried the practice as unfair and abusive.
The hearing on the controversial action known as rescission, which has left thousands of Americans burdened with costly medical bills despite paying insurance premiums, began a day after President Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation's healthcare system.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...s/fi-rescind17
Three words...
Class, action, lawsuit...
The answer isn't government intervention, the answer is for citizens to band together and sue such companies into oblivion, and of course to stop paying premiums for coverage that is non-existent. New companies will emerge from the ashes of the old that will give the customer what he wants and what he is willing to pay for.
May 31st 2011, 1:52 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
You don't realise you can get private top up insurance for as little as 30 notes a month then if you want the gold taps treatment.
May 31st 2011, 2:03 am
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Re: Search for Explanations of the American Health Disadvantage Relative to the Engli
My American husband didn't think much of public healthcare before he came to live with me in the UK (even though for several years he had no insurance which would have been a disaster had he been taken ill or injured at that time).
He's changed his mind now having experienced our healthcare system. He has no complaints, and he receives on-going treatment for his depression, plus he has had an ambulance to hospital with a kidney stone attack and was so grateful not to have to worry about paying for the treatment, filling in forms etc, when he was in so much pain.
I can never understand why Americans support public education but not public healthcare. I mean healthcare is actually more essential than education, you can choose not to have children but you usually can't choose not to be sick.
He's changed his mind now having experienced our healthcare system. He has no complaints, and he receives on-going treatment for his depression, plus he has had an ambulance to hospital with a kidney stone attack and was so grateful not to have to worry about paying for the treatment, filling in forms etc, when he was in so much pain.
I can never understand why Americans support public education but not public healthcare. I mean healthcare is actually more essential than education, you can choose not to have children but you usually can't choose not to be sick.
