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Old Feb 19th 2014 | 3:10 am
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I almost never made it past infancy due to a Vulcan crashing no more than a couple of hundred yards from our mam and dad's house when I was just a couple of months old:

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Old Feb 19th 2014 | 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Given that it is just about possible for a plane to plot it's own course from A to B, it is mystifying that the air crew could land in the wrong place by nine miles! Excuses may be given, but it is a bizarre lapse of technology and professional judgement.
Not really, it could easily happen and I'd be surprise if they get fired.

BTW- Im a commercial licensed pilot
 
Old Feb 19th 2014 | 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by The Quiet Man
Not really, it could easily happen and I'd be surprise if they get fired.

BTW- Im a commercial licensed pilot
Not a very good one then with statements like that
 
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Not a very good one then with statements like that
I've actually done it- That was before GPS...WE had E6-B's
 
Old Feb 19th 2014 | 10:46 am
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How long ago are we talking though? My experience with the aviation industry is all the last 10 years. You, as a pilot must know the massive dangers involved with landing at a wrong airport which is exactly why it shouldn't be easy to do for a competent crew. If your experience is dating back 20 or so years ago, well the stories the old timers at LHR used to tell me, an aircraft landing at a wrong airport was probably way down the list of safety scares.
 
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Originally Posted by markonline1
How long ago are we talking though? My experience with the aviation industry is all the last 10 years. You, as a pilot must know the massive dangers involved with landing at a wrong airport which is exactly why it shouldn't be easy to do for a competent crew. If your experience is dating back 20 or so years ago, well the stories the old timers at LHR used to tell me, an aircraft landing at a wrong airport was probably way down the list of safety scares.

From the air 9 miles is nothing...It could easily happen, thats all i'm saying- but I betcha it won't happen to either of those guys again.

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Old Feb 19th 2014 | 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by The Quiet Man
From the air 9 miles is nothing...It could easily happen, thats all i'm saying- and I betcha it won't happen to either of those guys again.
It's Southwest Airlines......you pay for what you get.
 
Old Feb 19th 2014 | 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by The Quiet Man
From the air 9 miles is nothing. ..... It could easily happen, .....
That's like the surgeon who amputates a limb on the wrong side, or removes the wrong kidney. I have no doubt it is easy to do, but more should be expected from a highly paid professional.
 
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
That's like the surgeon who amputates a limb on the wrong side, or removes the wrong kidney.
Its not quite that bad, but...Point taken
 
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Flying visually, I could see it happening in a private plane. It's right that from the air, 9 miles is nothing and I've done it in Flight Simulator a few times but ...

A commercial flight on a 737 would not be operating without a route programmed into the FMC - someone at some point would have had to enter the wrong airport's 4-letter code during pre-flight.

The only way it would have happened would be if the airports were really very close (and indistinguishable from the air) and they were cleared for a visual approach, rather than a full instrument landing. Even then, surely they'd have prepped for ILS in case visual conditions were lost.

It's a head scratcher for sure
 
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
Flying visually, I could see it happening in a private plane. It's right that from the air, 9 miles is nothing and I've done it in Flight Simulator a few times but ...

The only way it would have happened would be if the airports were really very close (and indistinguishable from the air) and they were cleared for a visual approach, rather than a full instrument landing.

It's a head scratcher for sure
Well of course it was a visual approach...I never look down at the Glide Slope and Localizer when I can see the runway.
 
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Originally Posted by The Quiet Man
Well of course it was a visual approach...I never look down at the Glide Slope and Localizer when I can see the runway.
I was talking about the Southwest flight. Though, even if cleared for visual they had to have known where they were.
 
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
I was talking about the Southwest flight. Though, even if cleared for visual they had to have known where they were.
So was I

Evidently they didn't, but I agree they should have. Commercial flying is like being a bus driver, it gets routine, it's not like those guys are completely focused the entire flight like a brain surgeon would be during an operation.
 
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Originally Posted by The Quiet Man
Evidently they didn't, but I agree they should have. Commercial flying is like being a bus driver, it gets routine, it's not like those guys are completely focused the entire flight like a brain surgeon would be during an operation.
That's the advantage of the instrument approach, I guess.
 


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