Rushman

Even Gib wasn't anywhere near the same category, they (the paddies in Gib) were known terrorists and had been watched by SAS and were told by the Joint Intel commitee to have a car bomb somewhere in Spain and it was thought to have already been planted at its target. Its ridiculous to make any comparisons between a Police tactical unit shooting an Illegal Brazilan and Britsh Counter Terrorism units shooting a couple of known Mick terrorists that had planted a bomb.

Sally

The reason it's not an everyday occurrence is that the perpetrators are brought to account.

Maybe if you lived in the same building as a suspected killer you would be worried about such incidents.

Rushman

Without googling can anyone else remember an incident where British police officers shot dead someone unarmed and innocent of anything serious? Now consider the last time you got off a plane or boarded a plane back in the UK and the amount of cops now openly carrying machine guns.

So really.....isn't this a big fuss over one incident thats been jumped upon by the media. It was a **** up and no doubt the Met will be ripping someones balls off in private about this and making sure themselves it doesn't happen again without a witch hunt from a bunch of liberal lightweight do gooders.

Sally

That Irish boy

Manc

Rushman, a guy that shot De Menezes already shot someone by mistake beforehand. it was his second mistake like this.


The Met should not have the right to chase people through the underground and shoot people 7 times in the head.

It is the stuff of third world dictatorships.

The government whom gave the Met authorization to do so are at fault. not the police.
and despite what Davy says, it was government policy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4722861.stm

Rushman

Never heard about that...but even so...thats 2. Hardly genocide and mistakes and bad policing happen...I happen to think we have a Police force that makes less mistakes and is not as careless as others, maybe because they are accountable but even then common sense should prevail.

Rushman

So what do you propose...that we have SAS counter terrorism units stationed all over London just in case or just let them bomb the capitol. FFS you have to have an armed tactical Police unit if nothing else simply because of logistics.
Sure if there just happened to be a Special Forces Counter Terrorism unit handy they get the gig....but thats unlikely for spur of the moment stuff.

Sally

Yes we do - so let's keep it that way.

Rushman

Right then let them clean their own house and stop the witch hunt.

Sally

Doesn't that set a precedent for future cover-ups?

Manc

they shot him "just in case he had a bomb"

Rushman

I dont think so...I happen to trust our cops with a sense of professionalism and to be able to put something right that might've been wrong. Pride makes you want to be the best at what you do etc.

Rushman

Were you there? Have you ever been in a situation where you have less than a split second to make a decision that could or could not cost a lot of innocent lives, lives of your fellow officers..maybe even your own.

The first shooter assumes responsibility as the following shooters assume the first shooter has just cause. That first shooter didn't do it for the sheer hell of it...in his own mind he must've thought he had cause to open fire....unless you know exactly what was in his mind and what he saw then NOBODY can say under the circumstances (Britain being bombed by swarthy looking 'erberts) whether or not he is at fault or whether the source of the intelligence about Demenezes was at fault for providing bad intel.

Just suppose for one single second that Demenezes did have a remote control device for setting of an explosion and he had been killed before triggering it.......you would be singing the praises of the cops as much as anyone. Unfortunately, that wasnt the case the cops thought they were tracking a legitimate terrorist....the fault lies with intel not the police officers. these are not just a bunch of fat donut eaters...they are trained.

Dont hate the player....hate the game.

Manc

as I said, I don't blame the police, I blame the gov't and the shoot to kill policy.

Sally

One would hope the intel was slightly more detailed than "swarthy-looking 'erbert alert".