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Texas lawmakers have passed a bill requiring the cremation or burial of all fetal remains , no matter what age of gestation, no matter abortion or miscarriage.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11...ent=1480378377

This bit, really got to me.
"health officials clarified that the requirement does not apply to miscarriages or abortions that occur at home. "

How many women will choose this option now? How many MORE women will die in Texas now? Let's just all make a legal abortion that bit more difficult shall we? A bit more expensive if you please.

Maybe we should all take used sanitary products to the Capitol and dump them on their shiny floor to be "disposed" of properly.

rant is not over. WTF am I doing bringing my daughters to Texas?

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I know what your angle is, but there are laws on the disposal of all human tissue, you can't just send an amputated leg or excisioned kidney to the landfill.

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Really? Shall I send you my used tampons to "dispose of" for me? They're full of human tissue.

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Pulaski, they all go to "sanitary" waste. In Texas they probably just bag it in yellow hazard bags and stick it in a landfill. Just as they will carry on doing with legs/arms/blood products.

This isn't an exercise in "sanitation" it is reinforcing the bible bashing chauvinistic b**t*ds idea that it is a "baby". In Texas they don't have embryos in utero they have unborn babies. As my daughter and all her classmates were told in their "sex ed" classes.

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There is a march on our Texas Capitol being organised. I think we really should do that.

Just to be clear, this is all about taking away CHOICE. A woman is be able to decide herself what to do with the remains of either a miscarriage or an abortion.

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As per usual, Pulaski is talking out his ass about a topic of which he knows nothing.

Having worked in the medical field for the better part of my adult life, I can guarantee to anybody who might believe Pulaski's false statement, there are many many many instances where legally disposing of human tissue does NOT involve burial or cremation, ffs.

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So what happens if you have a miscarriage when sitting on the toilet, do you have to contact the water company and call the police to search for some blood?

I bet they are all in favor of state executions of living people.

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"This bit, really got to me.
"health officials clarified that the requirement does not apply to miscarriages or abortions that occur at home. "

Actually, I think it more likely that they will require proof of virginity at marriage. Since they already get the GIRLS to sign a "worth the wait" pledge.

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What is your angle here? Pulaski probably already knows.

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You can't be a US citizen until you are born. Which means that these are not US citizens being carried in the womb, so they should deport these undocumented aliens (and they do look a lot like classic aliens) have them them apply when they can by screened.

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This is why young women (all young people for that matter) must get politically involved. The dismantling of the right to choose in Texas is being done by prudish old men and their religious nutter wives.

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I'd move to a more progressive state...as lovely as the climate is down here, i'd be a bit worried about bringing up kids in the public system around these parts, let alone sex ed.

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:goodpost:

True that.

They are pissed off that they failed to get all the Clinics closed last year. This is the latest tactic. I think Texas is used as a testing state to see how far the Roe v Wade law can be reversed in the Supreme Court. Whatever gets done in Texas will be rolled out in other states. It is in all our interests for this to get knocked back.

France? A fairly religious catholic country where you can go to the Pharmacy and get the abortion pill without a prescription. I'm not talking about the morning after pill either.

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my kids are very, very politicised as a result of all this stuff. Not just my daughters but my son too. They raise issues at school/college that others just don't even have an awareness of.

Texas is going to have more angry feminists to deal with. Not just girls either. Several of my male friends on FB have already said they are going to march on the Capitol on the 19th December.

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IMO it should be the woman's choice. I am against any man dictating to a woman what she should do with her body.

I had a miscarriage many years ago. Looking back I would have liked to have had it cremated. It was a very traumatic time. I wasn't given the choice...in fact unless the baby is still born I didn't think there was a choice.

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Thank you petitefrancaise for posting this & Leslie for your thoughts (as always you're my forum hero).

:goodpost: Exactly. Couldn't have said it any better.

I'm so sorry to hear this JG :(

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So what happens otherwise, before this law?

PS I see no need for it.

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Thank you.

In fact I am against any man dictating what a woman should do about anything. I have a brain, I am strong willed and will I do what I want to do...after considering others of course. ;)

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It is put in with all the other "blood products and human tissue" from a hospital and disposed of. In Texas, from what I've read, this means yellow hazardous waste bags and a landfill. They're not forcing amputees to pay for a cremation and burial.

JG sorry to hear this. I also had a miscarriage, it is far more common than people think.

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Land fill = buried I guess.

My family have always been cremated but I would imagine if you follow this illogical process through there are some beliefs opposed to cremation.

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Thank you and I'm sorry to hear it happened to you. I had no idea how common it was until it happened to me. Then talking to other women...it seems that almost every other woman has had a miscarriage.

Reading this thread has brought it home to me just how much I would have liked to have had it cremated. After the miscarriage we weren't lucky enough to get pregnant again. I often wonder what he/she would have been like now...would have just finished uni.

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Boiler. The whole purpose of this is to make it more emotionally difficult and expensive for a woman to have an abortion. It has NOTHING to do with respecting religious beliefs apart from as Leslie wrote, allowing a few religious nutters to control women's rights. It is being challenged in court. Maybe it will get thrown out. That is next year's fight for the right to choose. This year it was the unreasonable requirements on the clinics providing abortion which got reversed in the supreme court. Before that, it was Hobby Lobby refusing to allow certain forms of contraception through their insurance (they won). Need I go on?

This has nothing to do with anything other than limiting women's rights.

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We live in a progressive country, is that why so many people want to move here? I believe it is only Ireland where women face jail time. I did watch that TV show the other week where women were forced to give up their babies for adoption in the UK up until 1975. I was not aware that this happened until recently.

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I do the same thing. Very, very few people knew about my miscarriage. At about age 30 I was pregnant with my now oldest daughter and having a chat with a group of my closest friends and I expressed my concerns/worries. all but one of them (7 in total) had either miscarried or had an abortion and we had never talked about it amongst ourselves. Our partners and maybe our parents/siblings but the subject was definitely not up for open discussion. I have been completely open with my children in the hope that they will always be able to come to me but also to try and keep conversations like these going on out in the open. That way, you get the right to choose what happens to your baby/fetus/embryo without feeling ashamed that you lost your baby, or feeling that you can't openly grieve.

Telling women how to behave, think and feel damages us all so much. If we are ashamed, it's hard to stand up for our rights. Texas legislation wants us to feel ashamed. This "burial or cremation" is designed to make us think of the embryo/fetus as a baby that we have just killed. We are babykillers. Like hell, am I going to take this one without a fight.

Our stories need to be heard so that we can heal. How can we talk if we are made to feel ashamed?
Things have moved on JG, now you can mourn your lost baby and there are organisations that fight for your right to do what you want. Big hug.

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Don't give insurance companies ideas...

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Do they make death row prisoners pay for their own cremations? That isn't very green. Oh I forgot global warming doesn't exist in Texas.

The amount of energy required to cremate one body is about the same as driving 4,800 miles. The amount of greenhouse gas created by the cremation is equal to 110 pounds (or 27 pounds of coal being burned into the air).

Cremations are also said to contribute to higher rates of nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, mercury, hydrogen fluoride (HF), hydrogen chloride (HCl), NMVOCs, and other heavy metals in the air. In fact, the UN estimates that crematoriums contribute up to 0.2% of the annual global emission.

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If it is something you feel so strongly about move out of Texas / don't move to Texas.

It isn't federal.

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Not yet

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Oh yes, the go-to response. If you don't like it move.

Because everyone can just up sticks and go to a new house, find a new job, and incur absolutely no negative financial impact in the process.

The US is about liberty and justice for all, not just for pseudo-religious dinosaurs who don't like it when the skirt starts thinking for itself.

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Hey, it's a solution.

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No offence, mate, but it's not a solution, it's a cop-out.

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Helpful.

That's not always an option. Should she divorce her husband if he doesn't want to move or change careers? Should I move away from my elderly father in the remaining years of his life? What if the states with the most liberal reproductive laws don't have a job for me? Should I live in poverty?

Besides, they're doing this type of thing in many more states than just Texas.

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It is a solution. Granted, like most solutions there are pros and cons.

As for stating it is a cop-out... So what is a non cop-out solution? Writing a letter of complaint to the lawmakers?

Or are you hinting that people should protest this? Maybe riot?

It's a solution. Most solutions have pros and cons. It's up to the individual to weigh up their personal circumstances.

If I was a Texan and my family ties are strong, a good job and overall a good life, I'd likely take the hit on laws that I may happen to disagree with.

There are some laws in NC that I disagree with, but hey, my love is here.

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Maybe someone should setup a gofundme to pay for transportation out of the State or for the cremation costs.

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Not only that, but it's also rolling over and letting your voice go unheard.

Petitefrancaise (and any woman for that matter) has every right to live wherever she wants without being treated like a second class citizen.

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I think, perhaps (and to put it crudely), lawmakers might want to keep their noses out of places their dicks haven't been.

A non-cop-out solution? It's not up to the affected to provide solutions to problems that wouldn't be there if it weren't for right wing nutjobs. An actual solution is letting this be the hospital's decision and stop introducing stealth legislation to further this kind of backwards thinking, irrelevant pseudo-religious agenda.

How about they let women live their lives and make decisions regarding their bodies themselves. Also, they can stop pretending this is about being pro-life. These people don't give two shits about the baby or the mother after it is born. They are pro-birth, anti-choice and anti-freedom.

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It is but it's a sh*t one. Best to keep solutions like that to yourself. ;)

Exactly.

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The sad thing is that this kind of nonsense has a lot more chance of passing Supreme Court muster under President Trump if and when a challenge to it gets that far. I see two other states have passed similar laws, including Pence signing such legislation in Indiana.

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Wow. You've got your daughter's back haven't you.

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I pray that Trump only has the opportunity to fill Justice Scalia's seat :fingerscrossed:.