Nitpicky Grammar Question
#32
There is a subtle difference. "Dear" is an adjective, so Dear Bill is the same as Silly Susan or Lovely Linda (or as used to be used, "Honorable Sir"). So, no comma needed.
Hello, Hi, Hey, and Good Morning are greetings, which might naturally have a slight pause when spoken - in which case a comma is appropriate (but not compulsory).
Hello, Hi, Hey, and Good Morning are greetings, which might naturally have a slight pause when spoken - in which case a comma is appropriate (but not compulsory).
My problem has been starting my emails with 'hi' or 'hello'.. in that case, I tend to put the comma between hi & name.
If starting out 'dear' I wouldn't use the comma before the proper name.
I consider myself something of a comma addict, and I worry about it.
#33
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Maybe we should just accept that email and texting have entirely eliminated the need for grammar, spelling and punctuation.
u can just typ like dis & u will B OK m8 its kewl cuz only uptite peeps care about spellng rulz and dat shit
[/doubleplusgood newspeak]
u can just typ like dis & u will B OK m8 its kewl cuz only uptite peeps care about spellng rulz and dat shit
[/doubleplusgood newspeak]
#36
Testing, testing. 1-2-3.....
Testing. Testing. 1..2...3.
Hey diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle....
Testing. Testing. 1..2...3.
Hey diddle diddle,
The cat and the fiddle....
#37
Hi all,
I've noticed that the head of my department at work, as well as my manager, seem to use punctuation in a way that seems strange to me. (This is in e-mail correspondance.)
While I would write:
Thanks Toon.
They would write:
Thanks, Toon.
Or I might start an e-mail with:
Hello Ray,
They would lead with:
Hello, Ray.
Obviously the BE names are plugged in for easy comprehension. I guess I think of an apostrophe as being used when there would be a natural pause, or to show posession. Which way would you write these phrases? Is one right and one wrong? Or is this a matter of personal preference?
In both cases these are phrases written at the beginning of the e-mail. The first example would be a reply to an original e-mail. The second is the beginning of a new e-mail?
Okay, I know I'm sad for wondering about this, but if I'm writing incorrectly it would be good to know!
Kaffy
I've noticed that the head of my department at work, as well as my manager, seem to use punctuation in a way that seems strange to me. (This is in e-mail correspondance.)
While I would write:
Thanks Toon.
They would write:
Thanks, Toon.
Or I might start an e-mail with:
Hello Ray,
They would lead with:
Hello, Ray.
Obviously the BE names are plugged in for easy comprehension. I guess I think of an apostrophe as being used when there would be a natural pause, or to show posession. Which way would you write these phrases? Is one right and one wrong? Or is this a matter of personal preference?
In both cases these are phrases written at the beginning of the e-mail. The first example would be a reply to an original e-mail. The second is the beginning of a new e-mail?
Okay, I know I'm sad for wondering about this, but if I'm writing incorrectly it would be good to know!
Kaffy
#38
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Your boss is correct, Kaffy. He's using a vocative expression, where the name directly indicates who is being addressed. That means that the comma is required in both "Hello, Ray," and "Thanks, Toon." See the section about parenthetical phrases in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_(punctuation)#Uses
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
#39
Your boss is correct, Kaffy. He's using a vocative expression, where the name directly indicates who is being addressed. That means that the comma is required in both "Hello, Ray," and "Thanks, Toon." See the section about parenthetical phrases in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_(punctuation)#Uses
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.

#40
Your boss is correct, Kaffy. He's using a vocative expression, where the name directly indicates who is being addressed. That means that the comma is required in both "Hello, Ray," and "Thanks, Toon." See the section about parenthetical phrases in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_(punctuation)#Uses
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
Which (of course) she is.
Which of course she is!
Ho hum, too much time on my hands (well truth be told, postponing real work).
#41
Your boss is correct, Kaffy. He's using a vocative expression, where the name directly indicates who is being addressed. That means that the comma is required in both "Hello, Ray," and "Thanks, Toon." See the section about parenthetical phrases in this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_(punctuation)#Uses
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
dunroving is correct about 'dear' being an adjective. Writing "Dear Kaffy" is just like beginning simply with "Kaffy", except that you're also describing her as being dear.
I use a filter when confronted with some of these cases, I speak them aloud and see if it sounds right. To pause between "Hello" and "Ray" sounds silly. If I meet Ray in the hallway, I speak the two words without a break, a pause might get me some weird looks.
#42
I don't see the connection with the wiki piece.
I use a filter when confronted with some of these cases, I speak them aloud and see if it sounds right. To pause between "Hello" and "Ray" sounds silly. If I meet Ray in the hallway, I speak the two words without a break, a pause might get me some weird looks.
I use a filter when confronted with some of these cases, I speak them aloud and see if it sounds right. To pause between "Hello" and "Ray" sounds silly. If I meet Ray in the hallway, I speak the two words without a break, a pause might get me some weird looks.
It sounds silly to me too. I was taught that a comma means a break for breath (generally) or to to make a pause or a needed break in a sentence.
Therefore : Hello Kitty = no comma.
One single phrase. One single sentence. No need to pause. No need to breathe.
#43
hear hear!
It sounds silly to me too. I was taught that a comma means a break for breath (generally) or to to make a pause or a needed break in a sentence.
Therefore : Hello Kitty = no comma.
One single phrase. One single sentence. No need to pause. No need to breathe.
It sounds silly to me too. I was taught that a comma means a break for breath (generally) or to to make a pause or a needed break in a sentence.
Therefore : Hello Kitty = no comma.
One single phrase. One single sentence. No need to pause. No need to breathe.
#44
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You would never write "Dear, Peter" or "Dear, Sir". You would never write "Hi, Peter" or Hello, Sir". There is absolutely NO REASON to inset a comma.
Dear Sir,
This letter is about.....
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Hi Pete. This is the email joke I was going to send you.....
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or -- Hi Pete, this is the email joke I was going to send you.............
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The OP is correct about it seeming weird to put a comma before the person's name in the salutation. The usage isn't based upon how it sounds-- it's just wrong (or maybe it's something new?) Nine times out of ten the writer who inserts unnecessary punctuation marks isn't certain and, in an attempt to appear correct, overcompensates and uses extra punctuation marks.
Same as the folks who love the apostrophe so much. They're the ones who use an apostrophe to for a plural while the rest of us cringe.
Dear Sir,
This letter is about.....
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Hi Pete. This is the email joke I was going to send you.....
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or -- Hi Pete, this is the email joke I was going to send you.............
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The OP is correct about it seeming weird to put a comma before the person's name in the salutation. The usage isn't based upon how it sounds-- it's just wrong (or maybe it's something new?) Nine times out of ten the writer who inserts unnecessary punctuation marks isn't certain and, in an attempt to appear correct, overcompensates and uses extra punctuation marks.
Same as the folks who love the apostrophe so much. They're the ones who use an apostrophe to for a plural while the rest of us cringe.
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"Well, hello, Kitty ...." (think Frankie Howerd, Kenneth Williams, et al.)
That seems fine. Different meaning, different context.
Could you imagine getting a Dear, John letter? (with the comma) LOL In the US a Dear John letter is what a woman writes to a man when she's breaking up with him. "Dear John, blah blah blah........."
It's NOT a Dear, John letter (with a comma). Dear, John, I am, through with you, I hope I am not, hurting you too much but...." (the comma addicts might like that.) Lose the commas!!! arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
That seems fine. Different meaning, different context.
Could you imagine getting a Dear, John letter? (with the comma) LOL In the US a Dear John letter is what a woman writes to a man when she's breaking up with him. "Dear John, blah blah blah........."
It's NOT a Dear, John letter (with a comma). Dear, John, I am, through with you, I hope I am not, hurting you too much but...." (the comma addicts might like that.) Lose the commas!!! arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.




