More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Oct 26th 2003, 6:20 am
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
maryanne kehoe wrote:
>>What's this have to do with marriage based >visas?
>
> AFAIK, his wife is USC, he's UKC, possibility of deportation, maybe he
> or his wife should be posting here!
>
He DOES NOT have a marriage based visa.
There has been no mentioned of a marriage based visa.
You are aware, of course, that even Permanent Residents can be deported
if convicted of a felony. We don't need attempted murderers in this
country. YOU are the one that chastised INS for letting Malvo run loose
when they knew he was here illegally AND not suspected of committing
crimes or being violent. Now, a short time later, you want a convicted
violent person to be freed.. Do you understand, in your own mind, how
much of a contradiction this is?? Detain the nonviolent, free the violent?
>>What's this have to do with marriage based >visas?
>
> AFAIK, his wife is USC, he's UKC, possibility of deportation, maybe he
> or his wife should be posting here!
>
He DOES NOT have a marriage based visa.
There has been no mentioned of a marriage based visa.
You are aware, of course, that even Permanent Residents can be deported
if convicted of a felony. We don't need attempted murderers in this
country. YOU are the one that chastised INS for letting Malvo run loose
when they knew he was here illegally AND not suspected of committing
crimes or being violent. Now, a short time later, you want a convicted
violent person to be freed.. Do you understand, in your own mind, how
much of a contradiction this is?? Detain the nonviolent, free the violent?
Oct 26th 2003, 12:47 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
>He already paid his dues for the attempted >murder conviction.
PLUS he has a wife and two kids here. It bothers me that he has been
DETAINED for 17 months. No hearing. No mention of access to UK consular
officials. I thought when a foreign national is arrested on our shores,
the US authorities are by *law* supposed to notify the detainee of his
right to contact his embassy.
>He already paid his dues for the attempted >murder conviction.
PLUS he has a wife and two kids here. It bothers me that he has been
DETAINED for 17 months. No hearing. No mention of access to UK consular
officials. I thought when a foreign national is arrested on our shores,
the US authorities are by *law* supposed to notify the detainee of his
right to contact his embassy.
not anymore... we have the patriot act to thank for that.
Oct 26th 2003, 1:10 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
mrtravel wrote:
> AnnaV wrote:
> > It's still
> > heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> > finer shades of gray.
> >
> Heartbreaking????
> He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
> He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
> hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
> He could probably even get by on the language.
> I see no reason why we should let someone convicted of attempted murder
> remain in this country if he is not a citizen. This law was created
> ESPECIALLY for people like him. If he had this conviction and then tried
> to immigrate, this would be a no brainer for you, wouldn't it? So, now
> that he is already here, why should we let him stay for the same crime.
Amen brother!!!
> AnnaV wrote:
> > It's still
> > heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> > finer shades of gray.
> >
> Heartbreaking????
> He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
> He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
> hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
> He could probably even get by on the language.
> I see no reason why we should let someone convicted of attempted murder
> remain in this country if he is not a citizen. This law was created
> ESPECIALLY for people like him. If he had this conviction and then tried
> to immigrate, this would be a no brainer for you, wouldn't it? So, now
> that he is already here, why should we let him stay for the same crime.
Amen brother!!!
Oct 26th 2003, 2:06 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
"maryanne kehoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Why do they need to mention his access to >UK consular officials?
> Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
> here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
> RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him two
> weeks before his execution.
> It created an international incident with Mexico's president cancelling
> a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss economic
> cooperation.
> With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
> nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that to
> US citizens arrested overseas.
> Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???
I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make the first
step...
news:[email protected]...
> >Why do they need to mention his access to >UK consular officials?
> Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
> here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
> RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him two
> weeks before his execution.
> It created an international incident with Mexico's president cancelling
> a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss economic
> cooperation.
> With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
> nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that to
> US citizens arrested overseas.
> Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???
I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make the first
step...
Oct 26th 2003, 2:10 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
"mrtravel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> AnnaV wrote:
> > It's still
> > heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> > finer shades of gray.
> >
> Heartbreaking????
> He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
> He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
> hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
> He could probably even get by on the language.
> I see no reason why we should let someone convicted of attempted murder
> remain in this country if he is not a citizen. This law was created
> ESPECIALLY for people like him. If he had this conviction and then tried
> to immigrate, this would be a no brainer for you, wouldn't it? So, now
> that he is already here, why should we let him stay for the same crime.
Who cares. And Americans commit crimes and we don't deport them? Dow We? How
about to Australia?
news:[email protected]...
> AnnaV wrote:
> > It's still
> > heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> > finer shades of gray.
> >
> Heartbreaking????
> He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
> He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
> hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
> He could probably even get by on the language.
> I see no reason why we should let someone convicted of attempted murder
> remain in this country if he is not a citizen. This law was created
> ESPECIALLY for people like him. If he had this conviction and then tried
> to immigrate, this would be a no brainer for you, wouldn't it? So, now
> that he is already here, why should we let him stay for the same crime.
Who cares. And Americans commit crimes and we don't deport them? Dow We? How
about to Australia?
Oct 26th 2003, 3:24 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
Has he actually *committed* any crime???
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...sic_slick_rick
Has he actually *committed* any crime???
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...sic_slick_rick
At the time of this conviction, those of us who follow rap will recall that Rick had asserted numerous defenses to the attempted murder charges before ultimately plea bargaining, the most notable being that it was done to protect his mother, who it was undisputed had been experiencing ongoing, violent harassment from the cousin for some time because he wanted her to pressure Slick Rick to provide ducets (money) since at that time he had plenty. Should he have shot anyone? Absolutely not. But in my community young men have been known to do some very stupid things in what they perceive to be attacks on their mothers.
This immigration saga did not just begin when Slick Rick was arrested last year on the Caribbean cruise ship he was performing in. Apparently, the INS tried to deport him in 1995 when he was finishing serving his sentence, lost at trial, lost on the first appeal, and finally got a deportation order only after the 1996 Immigration law was passed. Apparently and for reasons unknown, Slick Rick knew about the appeals and rulings but did not know that there was a standing warrant for his arrest and detention. Which is notable because he's been living quite publicly in the Bronx ever since he got out of jail and completed his parole requirements.
All that being said, Slick Rick is definitely subject to deportation. (This is one of those cases where naturalizing would have mooted all this out -- Slick Rick has been a permanent US resident since he was a kid, but he had never naturalized). I personally agree with Marianne that detaining him for 17 months, with the only stated ground being that he is a "flight risk" is ridiculous. The man is a public figure. He cannot perform anywhere in the US -- and thus cannot make a living -- without being found quite quickly. Let him be at home with his family, like all the illegal immigrants who sneak across the border who are nonetheless allowed to wait out their time preceding their immigration hearings at home, and even given EAD's so that they can work while they do it. Even Slick Rick does flee the country, isn't that end result what BCIS wants anyway? Given this, I see absolutely no risk to our nation justifying an extended detention of this type. Unlike those who come in illegally but are nonetheless readily let out pending their immigration proceedings, never to be heard from again or found by BCIS again.
Oct 26th 2003, 4:10 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
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> "maryanne kehoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> Why do they need to mention his access to >UK consular officials?
>> Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
>> here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
>> RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him
>> two weeks before his execution.
>> It created an international incident with Mexico's president
>> cancelling a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss
>> economic cooperation.
>> With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
>> nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that
>> to US citizens arrested overseas.
>> Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???
> I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make the
> first step...
We are! We're getting rid of the riff raff...! :-)
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cite="[email protected]. com">"maryanne
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<blockquote type="cite">Why do they need to mention his access to
>UK consular officials?<br>
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Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him
two weeks before his execution.<br>
<br>
It created an international incident with Mexico's president cancelling
a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss economic
cooperation.<br>
<br>
With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that to
US citizens arrested overseas.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???<br>
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<!---->I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make
the first step...</blockquote>
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Be Nice wrote:
> "maryanne kehoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Why do they need to mention his access to >UK consular officials?
>> Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
>> here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
>> RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him
>> two weeks before his execution.
>> It created an international incident with Mexico's president
>> cancelling a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss
>> economic cooperation.
>> With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
>> nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that
>> to US citizens arrested overseas.
>> Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???
> I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make the
> first step...
We are! We're getting rid of the riff raff...! :-)
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cite="[email protected]. com">"maryanne
kehoe" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote in message<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:[email protected]">news:[email protected]</a>...<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Why do they need to mention his access to
>UK consular officials?<br>
</blockquote>
Because it's the LAW here in the US. We had a case several years ago
here of a Mexican national on death row. He was never told he had the
RIGHT to contact consular officials until Texas authorities told him
two weeks before his execution.<br>
<br>
It created an international incident with Mexico's president cancelling
a long-standing meeting with President Bush to discuss economic
cooperation.<br>
<br>
With all due respect mrtravel, we offer that protection to foreign
nationals arrested here, when other countries don't even offer that to
US citizens arrested overseas.<br>
<br>
Perhaps we all should watch "Midnight Express" again???<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->I think, we Americans can do better and one always has to make
the first step...</blockquote>
We are! We're getting rid of the riff raff...! <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
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Oct 26th 2003, 4:45 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Dekka, THANK YOU! That is what I have been trying to say. Let him get an
EAD and wait out this at home. He's paying taxes on both his properties
*while he is in jail.* I would think that if someone is keeping up with
his tax obligations, that is more than likely indicitive of him NOT
being a flight risk, and having a wife and kids in this country makes it
more so that he will be around here for a hearing.
Let the judge deal with the criminal past and how it relates to
admissibility or inadmissability, but lets have the law apply fairly to
ALL people.
EAD and wait out this at home. He's paying taxes on both his properties
*while he is in jail.* I would think that if someone is keeping up with
his tax obligations, that is more than likely indicitive of him NOT
being a flight risk, and having a wife and kids in this country makes it
more so that he will be around here for a hearing.
Let the judge deal with the criminal past and how it relates to
admissibility or inadmissability, but lets have the law apply fairly to
ALL people.
Oct 27th 2003, 10:35 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Originally posted by Mrtravel
AnnaV wrote:
> It's still
> heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> finer shades of gray.
>
Heartbreaking????
He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
He could probably even get by on the language.
AnnaV wrote:
> It's still
> heartbreaking, though, when the law does not distinguish between the
> finer shades of gray.
>
Heartbreaking????
He would be deported to the UK, not to some third world country.
He has made a lot of money in the music business, so what's the real
hardship? Many Americans move to the UK and vice versa all of the time.
He could probably even get by on the language.
I thought someone said he was a rapper. Where does rapper meet English??
Richard III
Oct 28th 2003, 6:22 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept
of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it.
This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect
nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest". It is not
nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to
deport all criminals including citizens if we could. If you want to
go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And
get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he
complains. Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this
country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece
of garbage. You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if
you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent
your URL address to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you
and deport you.
> >What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept
of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it.
This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect
nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest". It is not
nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to
deport all criminals including citizens if we could. If you want to
go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And
get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he
complains. Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this
country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece
of garbage. You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if
you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent
your URL address to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you
and deport you.
Oct 28th 2003, 7:42 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
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Michael wrote:
>[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>>What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
>>>
>This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it.
Agreed
>This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest".
Agreed
>It is not nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to deport all criminals including citizens if we could.
Well we could but we choose not to.
>If you want to go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he complains.
Pay attention and read: He spent 5 years in prision for shooting 2
people (Still extremely lenient however we do not know all the facts
surrounding the case). He's been in jail for 17 months awaiting deportation.
>Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece of garbage.
Please do not shoot off your mouth about how we dont' shoot people here
and are more civilized then advocate shooting people. It makes you look
foolish.
>You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent your URL address
Didn't know he had a URL address. What's the domain name?
>to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you and deport you.
What are they arresting and deporting this guy for? Stupidity? If so if
I were you I'd watch out.
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<pre wrap="">What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
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<pre wrap=""><!---->This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it. </pre>
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Agreed<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest". </pre>
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Agreed<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">It is not nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to deport all criminals including citizens if we could. </pre>
</blockquote>
Well we could but we choose not to.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">If you want to go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he complains. </pre>
</blockquote>
Pay attention and read: He spent 5 years in prision for shooting 2
people (Still extremely lenient however we do not know all the facts
surrounding the case). He's been in jail for 17 months awaiting
deportation.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece of garbage. </pre>
</blockquote>
Please do not shoot off your mouth about how we dont' shoot people here
and are more civilized then advocate shooting people. It makes you look
foolish.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent your URL address </pre>
</blockquote>
Didn't know he had a URL address. What's the domain name?<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you and deport you.</pre>
</blockquote>
What are they arresting and deporting this guy for? Stupidity? If so if
I were you I'd watch out.<br>
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Michael wrote:
>[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>>What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
>>>
>This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it.
Agreed
>This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest".
Agreed
>It is not nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to deport all criminals including citizens if we could.
Well we could but we choose not to.
>If you want to go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he complains.
Pay attention and read: He spent 5 years in prision for shooting 2
people (Still extremely lenient however we do not know all the facts
surrounding the case). He's been in jail for 17 months awaiting deportation.
>Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece of garbage.
Please do not shoot off your mouth about how we dont' shoot people here
and are more civilized then advocate shooting people. It makes you look
foolish.
>You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent your URL address
Didn't know he had a URL address. What's the domain name?
>to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you and deport you.
What are they arresting and deporting this guy for? Stupidity? If so if
I were you I'd watch out.
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">What's "Walters did five years on a 1991 attempted murder conviction after shooting his cousin and a bystander"
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<pre wrap=""><!---->This is a crime; you immigrants don't seem to understand the concept of FOLLOWING THE LAW: you do not shoot people and get away with it. </pre>
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Agreed<br>
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<pre wrap="">This is not Mexico or Russia. We do not shoot people and expect nothing to happen. We do not rule by who is "toughest". </pre>
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Agreed<br>
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cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">It is not nice. We Americans do not want you people here. We would like to deport all criminals including citizens if we could. </pre>
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Well we could but we choose not to.<br>
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cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">If you want to go around shooting people then do it in your own country please. And get out of mine. 17 months in jail for shooting 2 people and he complains. </pre>
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Pay attention and read: He spent 5 years in prision for shooting 2
people (Still extremely lenient however we do not know all the facts
surrounding the case). He's been in jail for 17 months awaiting
deportation.<br>
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cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">Too bad we are so relunctant to execute people in this country.. For a 50 cent bullet we could have been rid of this piece of garbage. </pre>
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Please do not shoot off your mouth about how we dont' shoot people here
and are more civilized then advocate shooting people. It makes you look
foolish.<br>
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cite="[email protected] e.com">
<pre wrap="">You are a sick sick sick sick and disgusting person if you think that this dirtbag should be in this country. I have sent your URL address </pre>
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Didn't know he had a URL address. What's the domain name?<br>
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<pre wrap="">to the FBI and immigration so I hope they arrest you and deport you.</pre>
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What are they arresting and deporting this guy for? Stupidity? If so if
I were you I'd watch out.<br>
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Oct 28th 2003, 7:43 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
keatslamia wrote:
>>right to contact his embassy.
>
>
> not anymore... we have the patriot act to thank for that.
>
>
You are confused.. The Patriot act deals with the ability to hold
someone for questioning for 7 days. It doesn't restrict the consulate
from being notified. THe issue is moot in this case. the guy has ample
opportunity to be in touch with the consulate. Maryann thought because
consular access wasn't mentioned, it meant he didn't get it.
>>right to contact his embassy.
>
>
> not anymore... we have the patriot act to thank for that.
>
>
You are confused.. The Patriot act deals with the ability to hold
someone for questioning for 7 days. It doesn't restrict the consulate
from being notified. THe issue is moot in this case. the guy has ample
opportunity to be in touch with the consulate. Maryann thought because
consular access wasn't mentioned, it meant he didn't get it.
Oct 28th 2003, 7:45 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Be Nice wrote:
> Who cares. And Americans commit crimes and we don't deport them? Dow We? How
> about to Australia?
>
The law doesn't permit the deportation of US citizens, unless they have
committed fraud in obtaining citizenship. Why should the US not have
the ability to tell guest residents they are no longer wanted, if they
commit crimes? Yes, Australia does deport non citizen criminals.
> Who cares. And Americans commit crimes and we don't deport them? Dow We? How
> about to Australia?
>
The law doesn't permit the deportation of US citizens, unless they have
committed fraud in obtaining citizenship. Why should the US not have
the ability to tell guest residents they are no longer wanted, if they
commit crimes? Yes, Australia does deport non citizen criminals.
Oct 28th 2003, 7:48 pm
#29
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
Dekka's Angel wrote:
The man is a public figure. He
> cannot perform anywhere in the US -- and thus cannot make a living --
> without being found quite quickly.
Nonsense, he could still make CD's.
Elvis is still making $40 million per year, and he isn't performing.
The man is a public figure. He
> cannot perform anywhere in the US -- and thus cannot make a living --
> without being found quite quickly.
Nonsense, he could still make CD's.
Elvis is still making $40 million per year, and he isn't performing.
Oct 28th 2003, 7:50 pm
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Re: More immigration lunacy---why is he in jail for 17 months?
maryanne kehoe wrote:
> Dekka, THANK YOU! That is what I have been trying to say. Let him get an
> EAD and wait out this at home. He's paying taxes on both his properties
> *while he is in jail.* I would think that if someone is keeping up with
> his tax obligations, that is more than likely indicitive of him NOT
> being a flight risk,
Bull... If he didn't pay the property tax, the buildings would be
foreclosed on by the tax collector... Besides, I am sure he is deducting
the property tax from the income received by the tenants of the building .
and having a wife and kids in this country makes it
> more so that he will be around here for a hearing.
>
> Let the judge deal with the criminal past and how it relates to
> admissibility or inadmissability, but lets have the law apply fairly to
> ALL people.
For most people of attempted murder, do you think it would make them
admissable or not???
> Dekka, THANK YOU! That is what I have been trying to say. Let him get an
> EAD and wait out this at home. He's paying taxes on both his properties
> *while he is in jail.* I would think that if someone is keeping up with
> his tax obligations, that is more than likely indicitive of him NOT
> being a flight risk,
Bull... If he didn't pay the property tax, the buildings would be
foreclosed on by the tax collector... Besides, I am sure he is deducting
the property tax from the income received by the tenants of the building .
and having a wife and kids in this country makes it
> more so that he will be around here for a hearing.
>
> Let the judge deal with the criminal past and how it relates to
> admissibility or inadmissability, but lets have the law apply fairly to
> ALL people.
For most people of attempted murder, do you think it would make them
admissable or not???