scrubbedexpat099

And the chance of that happening?

Pulaski

Approximately zero.

scrubbedexpat099

That high?

It is interesting to see how much effort is wasted on totally unrealistic proposals.

Uncle_Bob

E-verify

Pulaski

10/10 for the plan.

8/10 for the implementation.

½/10 for the operation.

Michael

If the 1980s immigration reform bill that originally came out of committee was passed, we wouldn't have this problem now. I'll give you 5:1 odds that if a new immigration reform bill is passed, the same lobbies that watered down employer sanctions will get the republicans to water down the new immigration reform bill. After all, the republican party's primary concern is to make sure businesses are successful and profitable so that their success will "trickle down" to the masses.

Sally Redux

They just can't get their story straight.

Michael

E-verify accomplishes very little since the penalty for not complying is a maximum of $2,000 and the government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (even though the penalty is not criminal) each case for each undocumented worker. And even if the employer is fined, the penalty doesn't increase for future violations.

It is profitable for some businesses to hire undocumented workers since they don't have to follow labor laws (undocumented workers aren't going to file a complaint) and the chance of getting caught and fined is very small

scrubbedexpat099

Those odds are not very generous.

I would put it somewhat akin to me playing for the US in the next World Cup.

scrubbedexpat091

I am related to a retired politician of whom is a democrat, and neither party really wants reform, they talk but don't want lose Hispanic votes by appearing to be too tough on immigration and that really is the issue, politicians don't want to piss off a large % of voters, a good amount of whom don't vote for a certain party, but said party will need in the future to win certain states.

Michael

I disagree. In the 1950s and 1960s, the US issued a large number of F2A visas primarily to Mexicans. Most of the Mexicans came seasonally and returned home and were very happy with that arrangement. When undocumented Mexican workers were asked, most prefer that system since many would rather live in Mexico which they consider their home.

Currently there isn't any cap on H-2A visas but only about 55,000 are issued annually since most farm employers find it cheaper and easier to hire undocumented workers.

So currently about 12 million illegal aliens but only 55,000 H-2A visas. Therefore if conservatives really wanted to solve the border problem and undocumented workers, there has to be teeth in any bill with strict employer sanctions.

Michael

Just in case pigs fly and he took me up on that bet, I didn't want to risk the farm.

scrubbedexpat091

The issue though is not pissing off the illegal Mexicans, but pissing off the legal Mexicans who can vote. Just mentioning immigration reform and screams of racism come out.

At the end of the day its the legal ones who can vote that matter.

Michael

Again, I disagree. Most seem to want immigration reform but a fair immigration reform. From everything I have read, this is basically what they want.

• Pathway to citizenship for those that have lived in the US for years.
• Visas for needed workers and will accept strict sanctions against employers that hire undocumented workers.

scrubbedexpat099

The number involved with Agriculture is tiny, but the end of that programme was of course due to the Unions.