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BuckinghamshireBoy Jan 30th 2018 11:43 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431024)
Opinions are subjective, so while I would agree that there are many good pies, mostly containing meat, or otherwise containing stewed fruit, and with a pastry lid, I believe that the pinnacle of the pie world is the steak and kidney pie, with steak and ale as a close runner-up. :nod:

Pastry lid goes without saying, n'est pas?

Otherwise it would be considered as a quiche?

Negative karma reduced ;)

caretaker Jan 30th 2018 12:03 pm

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431024)
Opinions are subjective, so while I would agree that there are many good pies, mostly containing meat, or otherwise containing stewed fruit, and with a pastry lid, I believe that the pinnacle of the pie world is the steak and kidney pie, with steak and ale as a close runner-up. :nod:

So would you eat that with a knife and fork, spoon, fork alone, or all three? :lol:
I considered foregoing the cheap shot in pursuit of real karma, but in the end couldn't pass up the opportunity.

Pulaski Jan 30th 2018 12:46 pm

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12431043)
So would you eat that with a knife and fork, spoon, fork alone, or all three? ....

Knife and fork if it contains meat, spoon if it contains fruit. :)

A fork alone is only for rice or (some) pasta dishes. :nod:

Nutek Jan 30th 2018 10:36 pm

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431060)
A fork alone is only for rice or (some) pasta dishes. :nod:

Or for stabbing the kidneys out of your pie and dropping them into the trash. :sick:

Steak and Ale however... yum.

caretaker Jan 31st 2018 12:06 am

Re: Karma
 
In a church basement in a small town in Saskatchewan the Queen and Prince Philip attended a traditional fowl supper (harvest supper) and the lady clearing the dishes said, "Oh keep your fork Prince, there's pie."

Lion in Winter Jan 31st 2018 12:14 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431060)
Knife and fork if it contains meat, spoon if it contains fruit. :)

A fork alone is only for rice or (some) pasta dishes. :nod:

Fruit pie? Spoon and fork, not just spoon. Maybe it's a London thing?

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 12:21 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12431404)
Fruit pie? Spoon and fork, not just spoon. Maybe it's a London thing?

Probably - spoon and fork is posh. As a child I was only given a spoon for pudding, and even today, if given a spoon and fork for dessert I will generally choose only one, depending whether or not the dessert has any sauce or liquid.

mikelincs Jan 31st 2018 1:12 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431294)
Or for stabbing the kidneys out of your pie and dropping them into the trash. :sick:

Steak and Ale however... yum.

+1

Rete Jan 31st 2018 1:17 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431410)
Probably - spoon and fork is posh. As a child I was only given a spoon for pudding, and even today, if given a spoon and fork for dessert I will generally choose only one, depending whether or not the dessert has any sauce or liquid.

Is that stick uncomfortable?



Come on guys. The perfect tool for that kidney (yucky) pie is a SPORK.

I might one day try your steak pie but I do not like kidneys. I do like liver and onions but not the damn kidneys.

Nutek Jan 31st 2018 1:20 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12431453)
Come on guys. The perfect tool for that kidney (yucky) pie is a SPORK.

I might one day try your steak pie but I do not like kidneys. I do like liver and onions but not the damn kidneys.

I've covered this before, but to reiterate, when you unzip an animal (after peeling it), anything that falls out of the inside is garbage and should be treated as such.

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 1:21 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431294)
Or for stabbing the kidneys out of your pie and dropping them into the trash. .....

Steak and Ale however... yum.

The only thing wrong with a steak and ale pie is that it is missing a certain something. :unsure:

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431458)
I've covered this before, but to reiterate, when you unzip an animal (after peeling it), anything that falls out of the inside is garbage and should be treated as such.

You don't know much about anatomy if you think that kidneys, or indeed liver and heart, "fall out" when you unzip the animal. The kidneys especially are securely attached in place, near the spine, from where they can be carefully harvested. :)

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 1:42 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12431034)
Pastry lid goes without saying, n'est pas?

Otherwise it would be considered as a quiche?

Negative karma reduced ;)

A quiche has to have eggs, doesn't it?

Though, a Shepherd's Pie has no pastry at all, and I think it gets a pass because they're the dog's bollocks.


Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431458)
I've covered this before, but to reiterate, when you unzip an animal (after peeling it), anything that falls out of the inside is garbage and should be treated as such.

I do love your turn of phrase.

That being said, steak n' kidney is a decent pie. I do prefer steak and ale, or steak and Guinness though. Chicken pot pie is the shit as well, but if you try put a pea anywhere near it I'll stab you.

On the sweet side, it's hard to beat good old apple pie with a big dollop of vanilla ice cream. Mmmmm.

mikelincs Jan 31st 2018 1:46 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431473)

On the sweet side, it's hard to beat good old apple pie with a big dollop of vanilla ice cream. Mmmmm.

Or a very nice bit of Wensleydale cheese with a cold apple pie.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 1:47 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 12431476)
Or a very nice bit of Wensleydale cheese with a cold apple pie.

Wallace, is that you?

Nutek Jan 31st 2018 1:59 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431459)
You don't know much about anatomy if you think that kidneys, or indeed liver and heart, "fall out" when you unzip the animal. The kidneys especially are securely attached in place, near the spine, from where they can be carefully harvested. :)

I would also include all the items you are able to scoop out after flipping it over to unzip it. A bit like the method you might use if (when?) making a canoe out of it.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:05 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431482)
I would also include all the items you are able to scoop out after flipping it over to unzip it. A bit like the method you might use if (when?) making a canoe out of it.

And I thought they smelled bad ... on the outside.

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 2:09 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431482)
I would also include all the items you are able to scoop out after flipping it over to unzip it. A bit like the method you might use if (when?) making a canoe out of it.

"Scoop out"? :confused:

You need a very sharp knife, of a good length, and a fair bit of skill and experience to eviscerate a large mammal. It's also best done outdoors and/or where the floor can be hosed-down.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:12 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431494)
"Scoop out"? :confused:

You need a very sharp knife, of a good length, and a fair bit of skill and experience to eviscerate a large mammal. It's also best done outdoors and/or where the floor can be hosed-down.

I don't think Nutek is being 100% serious here.

Nutek Jan 31st 2018 2:12 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431487)
And I thought they smelled bad ... on the outside.

Yes, or making a sleeping bag. :D

Nutek Jan 31st 2018 2:13 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431496)
I don't think Nutek is being 100% serious here.

When am I ever anything but serious? ;)

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:15 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431497)
Yes, or making a sleeping bag. :D

:lol:


Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431498)
When am I ever anything but serious? ;)

You got me. OK, as you were.

I will say though, much as people rail against offal, a nice bit of liver and onions is really bloody good. Haven't had it in ages (mostly because I'm the only person in my house who eats liver and kidney), but my mum used to make it all the time with spuds and gravy. Ohh, the nostalgia.

Rete Jan 31st 2018 2:19 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431500)
:lol:



I will say though, much as people rail against offal, a nice bit of liver and onions is really bloody good. Haven't had it in ages (mostly because I'm the only person in my house who eats liver and kidney), but my mum used to make it all the time with spuds and gravy. Ohh, the nostalgia.


That's how I make it, as well. Like the liver on the medium side, not bloody but pink, lots of onions, mashed spuds and gravy.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:21 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12431505)
That's how I make it, as well. Like the liver on the medium side, not bloody but pink, lots of onions, mashed spuds and gravy.

It's underrated as a meal. Plus liver used to be dirt cheap (probably still is) too so you get a slap up dinner for bargain prices. I think me and my mum were the only ones that ate liver though, I know my sister doesn't like it but I can't remember if my dad did. Oh well.

Nutek Jan 31st 2018 2:26 am

Re: Karma
 
I just don't want to eat anything that had a primary purpose of straining piss.
Fortunately, evolution has seen to it that all of the tasty parts are on the outside and easily accessible.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:31 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12431519)
I just don't want to eat anything that had a primary purpose of straining piss.
Fortunately, evolution has seen to it that all of the tasty parts are on the outside and easily accessible.

:lol:

Rete Jan 31st 2018 2:33 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431509)
It's underrated as a meal. Plus liver used to be dirt cheap (probably still is) too so you get a slap up dinner for bargain prices. I think me and my mum were the only ones that ate liver though, I know my sister doesn't like it but I can't remember if my dad did. Oh well.

Me, my Dad and my husband enjoy this for dinner. Mom would make it for Dad and me but she and my Sis wouldn't touch it. Just like they wouldn't eat fish either. And yes, it was always dirt cheap.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 2:35 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12431528)
Me, my Dad and my husband enjoy this for dinner. Mom would make it for Dad and me but she and my Sis wouldn't touch it. Just like they wouldn't eat fish either. And yes, it was always dirt cheap.

It was always what my mum got from the Chinese when we were ordering, because she didn't like actual Chinese food but didn't want to be left out :D

BuckinghamshireBoy Jan 31st 2018 2:48 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431473)
A quiche has to have eggs, doesn't it?

Though, a Shepherd's Pie has no pastry at all, and I think it gets a pass because they're the dog's bollocks.

You are probably right there. Maybe I should have said flan rather than quiche.

Shepherd's and Cottage pies are indeed worthy of full-on pie status.

On the kidney front, I am right alongside Nutek. Approach them cautiously, keep calm and get them in the waste bin at the earliest opportunity. Keep a spade or shovel within reach at all times.

Liver... is simply not to be found here. :( Cannot remember the last time I had it. My mum also used to make liver, onions and mash as mentioned by SultanOfSwing. Ok, he said spuds not mash, but you get the picture. But he forgot to mention bacon...

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 3:02 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431509)
It's underrated as a meal. Plus liver used to be dirt cheap (probably still is) too so you get a slap up dinner for bargain prices. I think me and my mum were the only ones that ate liver though, I know my sister doesn't like it but I can't remember if my dad did. Oh well.

When I ask for chicken livers at our local cafeteria I invariably get a huge serving, though we usually go in shortly before closing time, so I assume they want to get rid of everything they have already cooked and can't keep until the next day.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 3:05 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431564)
When I ask for chicken livers at our local cafeteria I invariably get a huge serving, though we usually go in shortly before closing time, so I assume they want to get rid of everything they have already cooked and can't keep until the next day.

They probably like it when you come in, then :D

Rete Jan 31st 2018 3:10 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by BuckinghamshireBoy (Post 12431550)
But he forgot to mention bacon...

We won't serve liver with bacon. Bacon has no place on the same dish as gravy.

Rete Jan 31st 2018 3:11 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431564)
When I ask for chicken livers at our local cafeteria I invariably get a huge serving, though we usually go in shortly before closing time, so I assume they want to get rid of everything they have already cooked and can't keep until the next day.

When making a roast chicken or turkey, the kidneys, liver and hearts were boiled for the broth and then they were chopped up and given to the dog. :nod:

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 3:25 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431566)
They probably like it when you come in, then. ....

We went in one Christmas eve a few years ago, and after looking at the choices on the serving line, I asked the manager, who unusually was working the serving line that day (presumably to give someone the day off), for chicken livers.

He looked at me and laughed - "I have all this good stuff", waving his hand over the other choices, "and you want chicken livers?". :lol:

I stuck with the chicken livers. :)

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12431573)
We won't serve liver with bacon. Bacon has no place on the same dish as gravy.

Both the bacon and the gravy are different from what you're used to. :nod:

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12431574)
When making a roast chicken or turkey, the kidneys, liver and hearts were boiled for the broth and then they were chopped up and given to the dog. .....

You had a lucky dog! :D

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 3:26 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431589)
We went in one Christmas eve a few years ago, and after looking at the choices on the serving line, asked the manager, who unusually was working the serving line that day (presumably to give someone the day off), for chicken livers. He looked at me and laughed - "I have all this good stuff", waving his hand over the other choices, "and you want chicken livers?". :lol:

I stuck with the chicken livers. :)

I'm not sure whether that means the other stuff was shite, or that the chicken livers were just that good ...

Lorna at Vicenza Jan 31st 2018 3:29 am

Re: Karma
 
Liver and onions is a traditional and popular Venetian dish. Can't stand it myself. You'd think fish would be more popular in Venice.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 3:30 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza (Post 12431592)
Liver and onions is a traditional and popular Venetian dish. Can't stand it myself. You'd think fish would be more popular in Venice.

Maybe they got sick of eating fish and decided to give liver a go. You know, the logical progression ...

Pulaski Jan 31st 2018 3:32 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431590)
I'm not sure whether that means the other stuff was shite, or that the chicken livers were just that good ...

Well about half the choices I never take (but when isn't that true for any restaurant/menu?) But that day I just fancied chicken livers as I hadn't had any for a while, and Mrs P won't cook them at home, at least not since she stopped making baby food for little Miss P.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 3:33 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12431599)
Well about half the choices I never take (but when isn't that true for any restaurant/menu?) But that day I just fancied chicken livers as I hadn't had any for a while, and Mrs P won't cook them at home, at least not since she stopped making baby food for little Miss P.

Seems that it worked out perfectly, then.

Lorna at Vicenza Jan 31st 2018 3:33 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12431597)
Maybe they got sick of eating fish and decided to give liver a go. You know, the logical progression ...

Perhaps. Italians are very particular and precise when it comes to their own regional dishes. Risotto alla Milanese. Ragù alla Bolognese etc.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2018 3:37 am

Re: Karma
 

Originally Posted by Lorna at Vicenza (Post 12431602)
Perhaps. Italians are very particular and precise when it comes to their own regional dishes. Risotto alla Milanese. Ragù alla Bolognese etc.

Well, they're good at it of course.


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