Illegal granted Law License
#1
Illegal granted Law License
I can see all sorts of problems with this....or at least complications to be worked out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...grant/4291097/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...grant/4291097/
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
I can see all sorts of problems with this....or at least complications to be worked out.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...grant/4291097/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...grant/4291097/
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
It is quite funny however.
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
Immigration is a federal matter.
This particular license to practice is issued by a state government that does not have the authority to make immigration law.
A state license is not a national visa.
I don't see the problem here, just so long as it is understood that a license issued by a state is not the same thing as a work visa or a citizenship document.
Whether the guy is qualified to represent others in California courts is a different issue from whether he is allowed to live or work in the US. If there are activists who think that this sometitles entitles the guy to citizenship or legal residency, then they are sadly mistaken.
This particular license to practice is issued by a state government that does not have the authority to make immigration law.
A state license is not a national visa.
I don't see the problem here, just so long as it is understood that a license issued by a state is not the same thing as a work visa or a citizenship document.
Whether the guy is qualified to represent others in California courts is a different issue from whether he is allowed to live or work in the US. If there are activists who think that this sometitles entitles the guy to citizenship or legal residency, then they are sadly mistaken.
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
By issuing a license to practice it seems they are entering the field of immigration law.
#6
Re: Illegal granted Law License
So he can practice law but not lawfully as he doesn't have a SSN, which means hes now professionally qualified to work under the table.
He claims hes been waiting 20 years for his visa which also seems a little unlikely.
He claims hes been waiting 20 years for his visa which also seems a little unlikely.
#7
Re: Illegal granted Law License
From the sounds of it he was one of the people granted deferred action, they keep forgetting to put that in the articles, plus this comment about how he has been seeking legal status since 1995 sounds off because the priority date for first preference is now 2006 (and 2003 for third preference).
So anyway, he has an EAD, he has an SSN and I can't really see any logical basis for him not to be granted admission to the bar. A State has no say in Federal immigration matters. He isn't "illegal" until an immigration court says so and he has never appeared before one. California cannot assume how a Federal court would rule. Given his ties to the US, his father being a US citizen etc. it's quite possible a federal court would allow him to stay.
He's now in a somewhat bizarre situation that he would qualify for legal status as TN-2, but he'd have to get a waiver.
So anyway, he has an EAD, he has an SSN and I can't really see any logical basis for him not to be granted admission to the bar. A State has no say in Federal immigration matters. He isn't "illegal" until an immigration court says so and he has never appeared before one. California cannot assume how a Federal court would rule. Given his ties to the US, his father being a US citizen etc. it's quite possible a federal court would allow him to stay.
He's now in a somewhat bizarre situation that he would qualify for legal status as TN-2, but he'd have to get a waiver.
#8
Re: Illegal granted Law License
You don't need an SSN to practice law in the US, Canadian lawyers are admitted to the bar in various States and enter under TN-1 for a few days to file court papers or whatever.
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
From the sounds of it he was one of the people granted deferred action, they keep forgetting to put that in the articles, plus this comment about how he has been seeking legal status since 1995 sounds off because the priority date for first preference is now 2006 (and 2003 for third preference).
Even without the EAD and/or SSN, it was noted that he was legally able to practice law but only as a self-employed attorney. He could not work for an established law firm.
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Re: Illegal granted Law License
Looks like he is too old for DACA, no mention of EAD.
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Mmm, I'd forgotten it was that far back for Mexicans.
Anyway this is the relevant statute: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1621
And California passed a State law in compliance with subsection (d), so basically that's the end of it.
Yes, but federal law says they can't do it without a specific State law that permits it, so I don't think this is going to be happening elsewhere in the US.
I think he could leave, get a waiver and come back as TN-2 although I suppose he's kind of blown his "non-immigrant intent" out of the water.
Anyway this is the relevant statute: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1621
And California passed a State law in compliance with subsection (d), so basically that's the end of it.
Immigration is a federal matter.
I think he could leave, get a waiver and come back as TN-2 although I suppose he's kind of blown his "non-immigrant intent" out of the water.