Cs

    > I'm sure I can speak for D. Long on this: Citizens of the United States
of
    > America are known colloquially throughout the world as "Americans," so you
    > can kiss our collective asses if you choose to posit such incredibly banal
    > drivel.
    > --
    > The American Kernel

I am amazed by the ignorance of US citizens when it comes to the rest of the
world. Everyone I have met from Europe, Asia, Africa and ofcourse, South and
Central America, consider America to be the whole things (North, Central,
and South). It is actually a big shock to hear US citizens talk about them
as Americans! its like if the other countries didn't exist?
Of course now you are going to come with the typical reply that "Americans"
give, the US is the best country so we dont care about the rest!!!!
God please learn some geography, and learn to understand other cultures, it
won't hurt!!!!

--Carlos

Cs

What I don't understand is if you guys don't want H1Bs here, how come I have
never had a problem or argument with anyone about it, other than in news
groups? 90% of my friends are "Americans", they don't seem to mind the H1B
program, but then most of my friends were some of the most talented people
on their classes so they don't have a problem finding jobs, even on this
economy. So I guess its easy to see whats happening, people without jobs,
because of lack of talent, blame the H1B program, instead they should be
blaming their high/grade school programs, cause seriously most "Americans" I
have known that just couldnt perform at their jobs, had issues with simple
math, or things that you should be taught before 12 grade, like calculus for
example.
So please quit whining, I mean you could be reading a book instead of
complaning.

--Carlos

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > The "hoot" is that you seem to believe that the cultivation of tobacco
somehow cancels the practice of English culture.

You must think that England had a plantation system with slaves. That's an
obtuse attitude.

    > So many sources exist for my claim that for you to ask for one is
unbelievably absurd and lame. Try an almanac.

You obviously have no source, or even an almanac to cite. It's really
something to see someone lecture about Chinese immigration and apparently be
ignorant of the Chinese Exclusion Act. But, then of course, some people's
history was born yesterday, except for those precious few selected nuggets
that are selectively chosen to be remembered.

    > You really don't know what you're talking about and you aren't even
very good at pretending to.

Tell that to tens of thousands of people interned for years on the West
Coast because of their heritage. That would then be consistent with blind
bigotry being espoused here. Maybe denial is resurgent in the U.S., too.

    > The colonials, obviously, were Englishmen living in the English
Colonies. You think they were what ... Bantus?

Sure, and ignorant people don't want to know about or ignore the
Scotch-Irish, the Germans, the Swedes, the Dutch, the Hugenots. Wise-ass
comments betray a lack of intellectual vigor, similar to what is displayed
throughout such a response.

    > The evidence is pretty much obvious. Of course, you'd need to read,
to know something about the history of English colonization, and that's what
I recommend you do.

That's about as much as you do here. Throw out garbage without any backup.
That's why such stuff is useless and never goes anywhere. If someone had any
thing whatsoever to back up what they said, they might be present a fact or
two or a source instead of just taking pathetic empty jabs.

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > The first immigrants and their children were pretty much Englishmen.

Except for New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, North Carolina and
South Carolina and quite a few other areas. That is confusing the holders of
the royal grants and the people who actually immigrated.

    > I could care less about Central and South America.

That is except when they're cutting your lawn, taking care of your kids and
cooking your food.

Americankernel

"CS" wrote in message
news:UXn%[email protected]...
    > > I'm sure I can speak for D. Long on this: Citizens of the United States
    > of
    > > America are known colloquially throughout the world as "Americans," so
you
    > > can kiss our collective asses if you choose to posit such incredibly
banal
    > > drivel.
    > >
    > > --
    > > The American Kernel
    > >
    > >
    > I am amazed by the ignorance of US citizens when it comes to the rest of
the
    > world. Everyone I have met from Europe, Asia, Africa and ofcourse, South
and
    > Central America, consider America to be the whole things (North, Central,
    > and South).

Actually, that would be "the Americas." You know this, but are spinning
it...setting up for a lie; the one in the next sentence. A big shock, my
ass.

    > It is actually a big shock to hear US citizens talk about them
    > as Americans! its like if the other countries didn't exist?
    > Of course now you are going to come with the typical reply that
"Americans"
    > give, the US is the best country so we dont care about the rest!!!!
    > God please learn some geography, and learn to understand other cultures,
it
    > won't hurt!!!!
    > --Carlos

Perhaps those in central and south have a bug up their collective
third-world asses about it, but by doing a simple search in Google news on
"an American" finds literally thousands of foreign newspaper colloquial
references to the United States, not Mexico, not Brazil, not Colombia.
According to the search, British, Australian, French, Canadian, Indian,
Bulgarian, South Korean and South African newspapers have all posted
references IN THE LAST SIX HOURS that refer to some person, place, thing or
factoid as being "an American" in reference to the United States.

You can go ahead and try to change the thinking of the entire world if you'd
like. As a matter of fact, I recommend it. Come back when you're done.
We'll still be here...if we're alive in 3003.

--
The American Kernel

Shane

haha! you thought who you are? why H1Bs have to be welcomed by you?
dont tell me you are god


    >
    > Bottom line is.....WE DO NOT WANT H1B's IN THE USA... so whatwever you
    > may say, you are not welcome here!

Tiny Human Ferret

Sancho Panza wrote:
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...



    >> The colonials, obviously, were Englishmen living in the English
    >
    > Colonies. You think they were what ... Bantus?
    >
    > Sure, and ignorant people don't want to know about or ignore the
    > Scotch-Irish, the Germans, the Swedes, the Dutch, the Hugenots. Wise-ass
    > comments betray a lack of intellectual vigor, similar to what is displayed
    > throughout such a response.

I keep pointing out that there were a huge number of German indentured
servants. When The Palatine was abandoned, probably the majority of the
escapees were shipped to the Colonies by the English. Usually they wound up
on a 7-year indenture.


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though they be transgenic chimerae. | -- The Brain
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positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Dan Quayle

Sancho Panza

"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I keep pointing out that there were a huge number of German indentured
servants. When The Palatine was abandoned, probably the majority of the
escapees were shipped to the Colonies by the English. Usually they wound up
on a 7-year indenture.

William Penn advertised heavily in Germany and attracted thousands to
England to be transshiped. That added to the kidnappings in ports like
Bristol and recruitment like Oglethorpe's rounding up the debtors
contributed heavily to the inflow. So did 100 ships of Scotch-Irish in a
5-year period that landed in Boston and Philadelphia.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The "hoot" is that you seem to believe that the cultivation of tobacco
    > somehow cancels the practice of English culture.
    > You must think that England had a plantation system with slaves. That's an
    > obtuse attitude.

And you apparently believe that a plantation system with slaves
somehow cancels the practice of English culture. Your density
is showing.

    > > So many sources exist for my claim that for you to ask for one is
    > unbelievably absurd and lame. Try an almanac.
    > You obviously have no source, or even an almanac to cite. It's really
    > something to see someone lecture about Chinese immigration and apparently be
    > ignorant of the Chinese Exclusion Act. But, then of course, some people's
    > history was born yesterday, except for those precious few selected nuggets
    > that are selectively chosen to be remembered.

Are you actually claiming that immigration from Asia
was a wave at any time in the history of this country
until 1965? Check your almanac.

    > > You really don't know what you're talking about and you aren't even
    > very good at pretending to.
    > Tell that to tens of thousands of people interned for years on the West
    > Coast because of their heritage. That would then be consistent with blind
    > bigotry being espoused here. Maybe denial is resurgent in the U.S., too.

Whether tens of thousands of Japanese were interned is
irrelevant to the fact that no wave of Japanese ever arrived
here and that you don't know what you're talking about.

    > > The colonials, obviously, were Englishmen living in the English
    > Colonies. You think they were what ... Bantus?
    > Sure, and ignorant people don't want to know about or ignore the
    > Scotch-Irish, the Germans, the Swedes, the Dutch, the Hugenots. Wise-ass
    > comments betray a lack of intellectual vigor, similar to what is displayed
    > throughout such a response.

What is it that you fail to understand in the term *English Colonies*?
The people you mention, aside from the Dutch, were fairly late
comers and were minorities. Furthermore, they didn't prevent
the English from extending English culture to America.

    > > The evidence is pretty much obvious. Of course, you'd need to read,
    > to know something about the history of English colonization, and that's what
    > I recommend you do.
    > That's about as much as you do here. Throw out garbage without any backup.
    > That's why such stuff is useless and never goes anywhere. If someone had any
    > thing whatsoever to back up what they said, they might be present a fact or
    > two or a source instead of just taking pathetic empty jabs.

To you I suggest a college survey text on US history. That
*might* clear up some of your confusion.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I keep pointing out that there were a huge number of German indentured
    > servants. When The Palatine was abandoned, probably the majority of the
    > escapees were shipped to the Colonies by the English. Usually they wound up
    > on a 7-year indenture.
    > William Penn advertised heavily in Germany and attracted thousands to
    > England to be transshiped. That added to the kidnappings in ports like
    > Bristol and recruitment like Oglethorpe's rounding up the debtors
    > contributed heavily to the inflow. So did 100 ships of Scotch-Irish in a
    > 5-year period that landed in Boston and Philadelphia.

And this did ...what?...prevent the English from extending
their culture to America? You've kind of lost track of the
discussion, haven't you.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The first immigrants and their children were pretty much Englishmen.
    > Except for New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, North Carolina and
    > South Carolina and quite a few other areas. That is confusing the holders of
    > the royal grants and the people who actually immigrated.

Is this your way of claiming that the English didn't extend
their culture to America?

    > > I could care less about Central and South America.

    > That is except when they're cutting your lawn, taking care of your kids and
    > cooking your food.

That has never and will never happen. But it does tell
a lot about how your opinion of massive third-world
immigration was formed. You really enjoy chasing
the maid, do you?

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > And you apparently believe that a plantation system with slaves
somehow cancels the practice of English culture. Your density is showing.

Right. I forgot bout all dem down-home darkies in chains all over the
midlands and lake country.

    > Are you actually claiming that immigration from Asia was a wave at any
time in the history of this country until 1965?

OK, what does your almanac tell you? I know what mine says and what it
doesn't. What it doesn't know about, apparently like some posters, is the
passage and continuation of the Chinese Exclusion Act. Therefore those
hundreds of thousands of Chinese entered in a very, very small window,
especially compare to the 120-year window for the comparable groups.

    > Whether tens of thousands of Japanese were interned is irrelevant to
the fact that no wave of Japanese ever arrived here and that you don't know
what you're talking about.

That's right again. Oops, I forgot, California just grew a couple of hundred
thousand Japanese before 1940, and that included not just the nisei, as
pointed out here, but also the issei, kibei and sansei.

    > What is it that you fail to understand in the term *English Colonies*?
The people you mention, aside from the Dutch, were fairly late comers and
were minorities. Furthermore, they didn't prevent the English from
extending English culture to America.

If you check any standard history reference, you will see that the French
and the English were both late to the colonization deal, especially in North
America. Sweden, Holland, Spain and elsewhere Portugal were far out in
front. It wasn't until the English mercantilists woke up and worked with
Elizabeth to get anything going more than just the royal grants. Maybe you
have never checked just what Charles I did grant.

    > To you I suggest a college survey text on US history. That *might*
clear up some of your confusion.
Which one or ones, other than the alamanc, would be recommended? I've got
several on hand and easy access to quite a few others.

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > And this did ...what?...prevent the English from extending their
culture to America? You've kind of lost track of the discussion, haven't
you.

Maybe some people think Lancaster, Pa., is a longtime hotbed of high English
culture. People who have been there and actually took the time to get to
become acquainted with a fascinating area know differently.

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > Except for New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, North Carolina
and South Carolina and quite a few other areas. That is confusing the
holders of the royal grants and the people who actually immigrated.
    > Is this your way of claiming that the English didn't extend their
culture to America?

The influences melded together, even then, even to many people's dismay
today.

    > That has never and will never happen. But it does tell a lot about
how your opinion of massive third-world immigration was formed. You really
enjoy chasing the maid, do you?

That might be taken to mean that you would refrain from a relationship with
a person of any one or several groups. The classic World War II question has
to be asked: "Would you refuse a blood transfusion from such a person if you
needed it in the hospital or on the battlefield?"

Uncle Cato

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:56:13 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret
wrote:

    >Sancho Panza wrote:
    >> "D. Long" wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> The colonials, obviously, were Englishmen living in the English
    >>
    >> Colonies. You think they were what ... Bantus?
    >>
    >> Sure, and ignorant people don't want to know about or ignore the
    >> Scotch-Irish, the Germans, the Swedes, the Dutch, the Hugenots. Wise-ass
    >> comments betray a lack of intellectual vigor, similar to what is displayed
    >> throughout such a response.
    >I keep pointing out that there were a huge number of German indentured
    >servants. When The Palatine was abandoned, probably the majority of the
    >escapees were shipped to the Colonies by the English. Usually they wound up
    >on a 7-year indenture.

Absolutely correct Ferret. It was these very people who started
Franklin thinking about "multicultural" problems.