Earle Mosley

[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote in message news:...
    > [email protected] (ConcernedCitizen) wrote in message news:...
    > > > so, stop talking about things like 'the project is successful because
    > > > you are there'. the only way you can keep yourself empolyed is to have
    > > > more real education and more real experience.
    > > >
    > > F.U. man. Can you tell approximately what KIND od education and what
    > > KIND of experience is needed to get a job.
    > depends on the job. some jobs require more engg. knowledge -some
    > less.
    > > H1B system destroys America, create higher unemployment rate, as a
    > > result reduce consumer confidence.
    > it also introduces better (english) speaking people into the system.
    > > H1B system discourage to get education in Computer Scientce, why
    > > bother if you going to be replaced by H1B.
    > >
    > its not that simple. there was a time 2 yrs back when jobs went
    > abegging and employers pressurized congressmen to increase H1B quota
    > (the way they are doing now for nurses). if you don't want foreigners
    > in your country now-you(americans) should not have inconvenienced them

they did it themselves for money

    > in the first place by asking them to move in, buy houses, furniture ,
    > car etc not to mention pay social security taxes too.

we did not ask them to buy anything

    > regards
    > -kamal
    >
    > > Think about that

One thing for sure...we do not want H1b's in the USA

Earle Mosley

Kamal R. Prasad

[email protected] (Earle Mosley) wrote in message > > its not that simple. there was a time 2 yrs back when jobs went
    > > abegging and employers pressurized congressmen to increase H1B quota
    > > (the way they are doing now for nurses). if you don't want foreigners
    > > in your country now-you(americans) should not have inconvenienced them
    >
    > they did it themselves for money
    >
who gave the better job offer instead of hiring local manpower? who
gave the H1B visa? (was it the INS by any chance?). who passed all
those stupid laws that on one hand encouraged employers to hire
foreign workers on one hand and placed restrictions on them to force
them to work for un-competitive wages (by making them go in for a
green card)? if its done by american lawmakers-then you shouldn't be
blaming foreigners for that.

    > > in the first place by asking them to move in, buy houses, furniture ,
    > > car etc not to mention pay social security taxes too.
    >
    > we did not ask them to buy anything
you need to get used to the fact that foreigners don't necessarily
fall in the category of refugees -and that they too have a decent
standard of living.
    >
    > > regards
    > > -kamal
    > >
    > > > Think about that
    >
    > One thing for sure...we do not want H1b's in the USA
    >
so tell that to your lawmakers. they are the ones to make a
difference.
-kamal

    > Earle Mosley

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
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    > > In England, for example, many arrived to expand their culture, not to
    > flee from it.
    > Yup, expanding that famous U.K. tobacco in Virginia. Sure makes a whole of
    > no sense.

Nobody seems to be more fluent in "no sense" than
you are. I'd love to read how you connect the cultivation
of tobacco with the English not expanding their culture
to this continent.

    > > No "waves" of immigration ever arrived from Africaor Asian until after
    > 1965. And, anticipating your ill-informed reference to the Chinese and
    > Japanese of the late 19th and early 20th centuries as being a "wave," they
    > weren't.
    > Proportiantely, the Chinese railroad workers far surpassed most other
    > immigrant groups,

Nonsense. The Irish and Germans were hugely larger
than the comparaitve handful of Chinese. And, despite
my precautionary remark, you assert your ill-informed
reference. The facts are simply against you, yet you
continue to assert nonsense. Amazing.

    > and the U.S. certainly thought that the tens of thousands
    > of Nisei presented enough of a threat in the first half of the 20th century
    > to intern tens of thousands of them.

Fascinating, of course, but what does that have to do
with their arriving here in *waves*? And by the way,
Nisei are second generation Japanese.

    > > Englishmen didn't flee the culture of England by migrating to the
    > English colonies, obviously.
    > Suggestion for an education trip: Williamsburg, Va. Then you might be able
    > to comment on colonial life.

I have all kinds of qualifications for commenting on colonial
life. You evidently have no rebuttal to my facts. Keep trying.

    > > > Until the 20th century, the United States was not much more than a
    > growing tyke, and one experiencing major growth pains with events like the
    > Civil War.
    > > Fascinating. But do you have a point?
    > Unless one believes that the streets were paved with gold, life in
    > 19th-century United States was NOT demonstrably superior in most respects to
    > nations like England that continued to exert their imperial dominance.

You continue to fascinate, but do you have anything to
add about English colonials extending their culture
to this continent rather than fleeing from their culture?
Resist the urge to mention the price of rice in
China. That isn't relevant either. Thanks.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
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    > > A you claiming that a descendent of an immigrant is himself an immigrant?
    > Is it possible that anyone born on U.S. soil is considered "native"?

Certainly, by definition, anyone born on American soil to
American parents would be considered a native. But
to you, apparently, the child is an immigrant. That's
kind of silly of you, isn't it.

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
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    > Certainly, by definition, anyone born on American soil to American
parents would be considered a native. But to you, apparently, the child is
an immigrant. That's kind of silly of you, isn't it.

Actually I consider any citizen an American. Not to put too fine a point on
it, though, it's not clear whether you would. "Born on American soil to
American parents" could well exclude children born here to parents who are
immigrants who became citizens. That was a process quite a few million
people went through.

Cs

so all the kids of the first immigrants to the US were not natives, and
since they werent native, their kids werent native, etc etc etc.
So you are saying that if someone is here legally as a student, working, or
something else, and has a kid, that that kid is not a native US citizen?
Also please quit using the term Americans, since aparently you have
forgotten about central and south America.

--Carlos



"D. Long" wrote in message
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    > x-no-archive: yes
    > "Sancho Panza" wrote in message
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    > >
    > > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > A you claiming that a descendent of an immigrant is himself an
immigrant?
    > >
    > > Is it possible that anyone born on U.S. soil is considered "native"?
    > Certainly, by definition, anyone born on American soil to
    > American parents would be considered a native. But
    > to you, apparently, the child is an immigrant. That's
    > kind of silly of you, isn't it.

Americankernel

"CS" wrote in message
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    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > x-no-archive: yes
    > > "Sancho Panza" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > A you claiming that a descendent of an immigrant is himself an
    > immigrant?
    > > >
    > > > Is it possible that anyone born on U.S. soil is considered "native"?
    > >
    > > Certainly, by definition, anyone born on American soil to
    > > American parents would be considered a native. But
    > > to you, apparently, the child is an immigrant. That's
    > > kind of silly of you, isn't it.



    > so all the kids of the first immigrants to the US were not natives, and
    > since they werent native, their kids werent native, etc etc etc.
    > So you are saying that if someone is here legally as a student, working,
or
    > something else, and has a kid, that that kid is not a native US citizen?

Thanks to Congress' abdication of duty regarding enacting laws authorized,
and probably required, by the 14th Amendment, we have an "anchor baby"
boondoggle that is incredibly destructive to our culture, our economy and
the prospects for our future as a first-world power.

The key point here is that, due to a long-term, unrepaired technical
loophole, yes, they are technically "citizens." Yet it is wrong for anyone
to infer, from said govermental idiocy, that we are precluded from being
thoroughly disgusted by people who come here with the sole, unethical intent
to take advantage of such technicalities. Similarly, if someone
accidentally leaves a door unlocked, they are not precluded being pissed off
when they later discover they have been burglarized. They are also not
precluded from locking the door in the future.

It is high time that we "lock the door" on this anchor baby nonsense.

    > Also please quit using the term Americans, since aparently you have
    > forgotten about central and south America.

I'm sure I can speak for D. Long on this: Citizens of the United States of
America are known colloquially throughout the world as "Americans," so you
can kiss our collective asses if you choose to posit such incredibly banal
drivel.

--
The American Kernel

David Eduardo

"americankernel" wrote in message
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    > I'm sure I can speak for D. Long on this: Citizens of the United States
of
    > America are known colloquially throughout the world as "Americans," so you
    > can kiss our collective asses if you choose to posit such incredibly banal
    > drivel.

In English, the term "Americans" generally does refer to those of the USA.
In other languages, such as Spanish, French and Portuguese, an American is
generally someone from "The Americas" although in the last few decades, it
has been common to refer, in the proper context, to those form the USA as
"Americans" as well.

The language being used is key to the worked used as a national identifier.

I well remember being in a college journalism class in Puerto Rico where I
was asked on the first day to say who I was and where I came from. I gave my
name and said "americano." The teacher responded by saying, "We are all
"americanos." You are "norteamericano."

There are radio stations called "Radio America" and newspapers called "El
Diario de las Americas" and similar things from Argentina to Mexico. They
are not referring to US citizens, I guarantee you.

Shane

    > F.U. man. Can you tell approximately what KIND od education and what
    > KIND of experience is needed to get a job.

stop cursing, that just doesnt help. ask the employer you sent your
resume to for the answer. the one who asks this kind of questions is
stupid for sure

    > H1B system destroys America, create higher unemployment rate, as a
    > result reduce consumer confidence.

no evidence. you can certainly believe so, but things are not
necessarily the way you feel like

    > H1B system discourage to get education in Computer Science, why
    > bother if you going to be replaced by H1B.

to be a good computer scientist, you need to have a little talent in
this field, if you study CS just because CS can help you get easy
money, it just hard to make that happen. even if you wont be replaced
by H1B, the one who doesnt ned H1B will replace you anyway

    >
    > Think about that

Sancho Panza

"D. Long" wrote in message
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    > I'd love to read how you connect the cultivation of tobacco with the
English not expanding their culture to this continent.

Following your logic, the English grew tobacco in the English Isles and just
expanded it to Virginia. That's a hoot.

    > Nonsense. The Irish and Germans were hugely larger than the
comparaitve handful of Chinese. And, despite my precautionary remark, you
assert your ill-informed reference.

Got a source other than your off-the-top-of-your-head opinion?

    > Fascinating, of course, but what does that have to do with their
arriving here in *waves*? And by the way, Nisei are second generation
Japanese.

Good to see you're fascinated. Next we'll remind you of how you stated that
no other immigrant/ethnic groups presented a threat.

    > I have all kinds of qualifications for commenting on colonial life.

Please explain how the colonies mirrored the "culture of England."

    > You continue to fascinate, but do you have anything to add about
English colonials extending their culture to this continent rather than
fleeing from their culture?

It's fantastic that you contnue to be fascinated, except for the problem
that the point about extending culture was yours and not mine. That means
you should offer the evidence to back it up.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I'd love to read how you connect the cultivation of tobacco with the
    > English not expanding their culture to this continent.
    > Following your logic, the English grew tobacco in the English Isles and just
    > expanded it to Virginia. That's a hoot.

The "hoot" is that you seem to believe that the cultivation of
tobacco somehow cancels the practice of English culture. The
English also ate corn, a plant unknown in the Old World. In
your view, their doing so made them ... what? ... Mohawks?

    > > Nonsense. The Irish and Germans were hugely larger than the
    > comparaitve handful of Chinese. And, despite my precautionary remark, you
    > assert your ill-informed reference.
    > Got a source other than your off-the-top-of-your-head opinion?

So many sources exist for my claim that for you to ask for
one is unbelievably absurd and lame. Try an almanac.

    > > Fascinating, of course, but what does that have to do with their
    > arriving here in *waves*? And by the way, Nisei are second generation
    > Japanese.

    > Good to see you're fascinated. Next we'll remind you of how you stated that
    > no other immigrant/ethnic groups presented a threat.

You really don't know what you're talking about and you aren't
even very good at pretending to.

    > > I have all kinds of qualifications for commenting on colonial life.
    > Please explain how the colonies mirrored the "culture of England."

The colonials, obviously, were Englishmen living in the
English Colonies. You think they were what ... Bantus?

    > > You continue to fascinate, but do you have anything to add about
    > English colonials extending their culture to this continent rather than
    > fleeing from their culture?
    > It's fantastic that you contnue to be fascinated, except for the problem
    > that the point about extending culture was yours and not mine. That means
    > you should offer the evidence to back it up.

The evidence is pretty much obvious. Of course, you'd need to
read, to know something about the history of English colonization,
and that's what I recommend you do. Try it. Then maybe you'd
not continue to embarrass yourself so much around here.

D. Long

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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "D. Long" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Certainly, by definition, anyone born on American soil to American
    > parents would be considered a native. But to you, apparently, the child is
    > an immigrant. That's kind of silly of you, isn't it.
    > Actually I consider any citizen an American.

You really have some difficulty staying with the topic,
don't you. Hint: *Any* citizen is not a native.

    > Not to put too fine a point on
    > it, though, it's not clear whether you would.

Actually, I really don't consider a lot of the immigrants
who in the past 30 years have availed themselves of the
cheap citizenship papers distributed by the government
to be Americans. They might be citizens, but so many
of them hold to the old country in their ways and
loyalties that to call them Americans is really a misnomer.

    > "Born on American soil to
    > American parents" could well exclude children born here to parents who are
    > immigrants who became citizens.

Right.

    > That was a process quite a few million
    > people went through.

Exactly.

D. Long

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"CS" wrote in message news:Yyc%[email protected]...
    > so all the kids of the first immigrants to the US were not natives, and
    > since they werent native, their kids werent native, etc etc etc.

Right, in a way, as the first immigrants were colonists, and
the American identity took some generations to develop.
The first immigrants and their children were pretty much
Englishmen.

    > So you are saying that if someone is here legally as a student, working, or
    > something else, and has a kid, that that kid is not a native US citizen?

The kid might be a US citizen, owing to the unfortunate
interpretation of the 14th Amendment. But I wouldn't
call the kid an American.

    > Also please quit using the term Americans, since aparently you have
    > forgotten about central and south America.

I could care less about Central and South America. An
*American* is someone from the US in this discussion.
Get acquainted with context, you ignorant twerp.

Earle Mosley

[email protected] (Shane) wrote in message news:...
    > > F.U. man. Can you tell approximately what KIND od education and what
    > > KIND of experience is needed to get a job.
    >
    > stop cursing, that just doesnt help. ask the employer you sent your
    > resume to for the answer. the one who asks this kind of questions is
    > stupid for sure
    >
    > > H1B system destroys America, create higher unemployment rate, as a
    > > result reduce consumer confidence.
    >
    > no evidence. you can certainly believe so, but things are not
    > necessarily the way you feel like
    >
    > > H1B system discourage to get education in Computer Science, why
    > > bother if you going to be replaced by H1B.
    >
    > to be a good computer scientist, you need to have a little talent in
    > this field, if you study CS just because CS can help you get easy


Bottom line is.....WE DO NOT WANT H1B's IN THE USA... so whatwever you
may say, you are not welcome here!
    > money, it just hard to make that happen. even if you wont be replaced
    > by H1B, the one who doesnt ned H1B will replace you anyway
    >
    > >
    > > Think about that

L D Jones

Earle Mosley wrote:
    >
    > [email protected] (Shane) wrote in message news:...
    > > > F.U. man. Can you tell approximately what KIND od education and what
    > > > KIND of experience is needed to get a job.
    > >
    > > stop cursing, that just doesnt help. ask the employer you sent your
    > > resume to for the answer. the one who asks this kind of questions is
    > > stupid for sure
    > >
    > > > H1B system destroys America, create higher unemployment rate, as a
    > > > result reduce consumer confidence.
    > >
    > > no evidence. you can certainly believe so, but things are not
    > > necessarily the way you feel like
    > >
    > > > H1B system discourage to get education in Computer Science, why
    > > > bother if you going to be replaced by H1B.
    > >
    > > to be a good computer scientist, you need to have a little talent in
    > > this field, if you study CS just because CS can help you get easy
    >
    > Bottom line is.....WE DO NOT WANT H1B's IN THE USA... so whatwever you
    > may say, you are not welcome here!

Unless you can get Congress to cancel the program all your crying here
isn't going to help