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scot47 Oct 27th 2014 12:48 am

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What is with Americans and Guns ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

Pulaski Oct 27th 2014 1:01 am

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The second amendment to the constitution.

Do you have another question? :)

Michael Oct 27th 2014 2:08 am

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Big guns to make up for small penises.:lol:

Garbatellamike Oct 27th 2014 2:21 am

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A gun is a tool, Marion. No better and no worse than any other tool - an axe, a shovel, or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

SultanOfSwing Oct 27th 2014 2:25 am

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I don't think Americans are 'obsessed' with guns. I know gun owners, of course, but to them it's a hobby just the same way as music is for me or stamp collecting is for someone else. Just because some people use guns to kill other people, doesn't mean that all guns are used for that purpose, or bought with that intent.

WEBlue Oct 27th 2014 2:29 am

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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 11452207)
A gun is a tool, Marion. No better and no worse than any other tool - an axe, a shovel, or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

Shane (1953--Alan Ladd, Jean Arthur)

thinbrit Oct 27th 2014 3:09 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11452213)
I don't think Americans are 'obsessed' with guns. I know gun owners, of course, but to them it's a hobby just the same way as music is for me or stamp collecting is for someone else. Just because some people use guns to kill other people, doesn't mean that all guns are used for that purpose, or bought with that intent.

:goodpost:
Putting holes in paper at the gun range, hunting with friends, or as a home defense tool. There is no 'obsession' with the guns my family and I own.

I'd also like to add they can also hold great sentimental value. My father-in-law, who is 84, plans to pass down his fathers gun to me. It is one of the few items he has from his father. We took it to Cabela's last week and it fired like it was new. Nobody died, nobody obsessed about it, just some family fun.

wtkp0u Oct 27th 2014 3:10 am

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11452062)
What is with Americans and Guns ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

Troll much? ;)

ottotheboar Oct 27th 2014 3:56 am

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Originally Posted by Michael (Post 11452182)
Big guns to make up for small penises.:lol:

I guess the 10 gauge I use for geese really puts me at the back of the line

Pulaski Oct 27th 2014 4:04 am

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Originally Posted by ottotheboar (Post 11452341)
I guess the 10 gauge I use for geese really puts me at the back of the line

Don't worry, you're still ahead of anyone who goes gun-punting for sitting ducks. :lol:

Steve_ Oct 27th 2014 10:59 am

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Oh please can we have another thread about guns? Please, pleasepleaseplease.

Anyway I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere else but Alberta and California have roughly the same rate of gun ownership (20% of households) and by any reasonable measurement California has tougher gun laws (for example, long guns are registered at point of sale, whereas in Canada they are not registered. All transfers of firearms have to go through a licensed dealer in California, whereas in Canada they do not).

Yet the rate of firearm-related homicide in California is four times higher than in Alberta. Plus, ATF trace figures indicate that most guns used in crime in California were originally sold in California.

The only logical conclusion I can draw is that there is some of cultural difference. Americans just seem to be more okay with shooting people. I'd blame TV, but the same crap is on here in Canada.

When I go into a gun shop in Canada the typical conversation is about the best type of gun/ammunition for hunting or target shooting. In the US, the typical conversation is about the best type of gun/ammunition for shooting people with.

I think Americans generally speaking are more paranoid than Canadians.

Hotscot Oct 27th 2014 11:07 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11452906)
Yet the rate of firearm-related homicide in California is four times higher than in Alberta.

And quite a few of those by people who shouldn't even be here.

Including those two Deputies in Sacramento a couple of days ago.

And of course the father and his two sons gunned down in San Francisco a few years ago.

Michael Oct 27th 2014 11:59 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11452906)
Oh please can we have another thread about guns? Please, pleasepleaseplease.

Anyway I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere else but Alberta and California have roughly the same rate of gun ownership (20% of households) and by any reasonable measurement California has tougher gun laws (for example, long guns are registered at point of sale, whereas in Canada they are not registered. All transfers of firearms have to go through a licensed dealer in California, whereas in Canada they do not).

Yet the rate of firearm-related homicide in California is four times higher than in Alberta. Plus, ATF trace figures indicate that most guns used in crime in California were originally sold in California.

The only logical conclusion I can draw is that there is some of cultural difference. Americans just seem to be more okay with shooting people. I'd blame TV, but the same crap is on here in Canada.

When I go into a gun shop in Canada the typical conversation is about the best type of gun/ammunition for hunting or target shooting. In the US, the typical conversation is about the best type of gun/ammunition for shooting people with.

I think Americans generally speaking are more paranoid than Canadians.

If the US could put Canada below our border, then I suspect gun deaths would rise in Canada as the illicit drug trade travelled through Canada to get to the US.:sneaky:

kimilseung Oct 27th 2014 12:05 pm

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3,200+ posts, and today is a good day to post this? In isolation?

kimilseung Oct 27th 2014 12:06 pm

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What is with Americans and Halloween ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

kimilseung Oct 27th 2014 12:07 pm

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If I spent any more time on the internet, than I already do, I would declare this a Spiderman thread.

Michael Oct 27th 2014 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11452967)
What is with Americans and Halloween ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

It's the one day each year that Americans can beg and not looked down up (well they will be looked down up since they are so short).;)

Hotscot Oct 27th 2014 12:18 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11452967)
What is with Americans and Halloween ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

Capitalist driven...any excuse to make money from 'holidays'
I can't stand it...

Marc_ely Oct 27th 2014 12:21 pm

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I love Halloween. I much prefer it to Christmas. Each to their own!

kimilseung Oct 27th 2014 12:22 pm

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I think I should pat myself on the back for successfully derailing a gun thread!

Hotscot Oct 27th 2014 12:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Marc_ely (Post 11452982)
I love Halloween. I much prefer it to Christmas. Each to their own!

No, what I mean is I can't stand how the retail machine processes each holiday...

Especially places like Wally World that are currently stocking all the Christmas stuff.

kimilseung Oct 27th 2014 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11452985)
No, what I mean is I can't stand how the retail machine processes each holiday...

Especially places like Wally World that are currently stocking all the Christmas stuff.

Halloween seems the worst for the commercialism, store bought fancy dress, just seems against the spirit of fancy dress, and they are all such terrible quality, I know its only for one night wear, but they all look crap. I might not mind Halloween if it was not for a quarter of some stores being turned over to all the tacky crap decorations. And the bloody mountain of candy that has to be snook away from my kid when she is not looking.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 27th 2014 12:37 pm

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I don't really think there is an obsession over all, but the NRA and it's supporters are very loud and visible, but I would not say the average person is obsessed.

Without amending the constitution, the government's at various levels are limited to what they can do without the courts overturning the government.

I also don't find most American's anymore into guns then an average Canadian, and while our NRA (forget their name) equivalent is not as loud, there is a gun debate up here as well, despite having more restrictive laws, although I have heard some states have tougher laws then Canada but I don't know for sure.

Canadian's just overall are less violent so less shootings.

scot47 Oct 28th 2014 1:30 am

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Dunno about Halloween., but when I hear CHRISTMAS I reach for my Kalashnikov.

scrubbedexpat099 Oct 28th 2014 3:26 am

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Get a gun for Christmas.

Friend got his Elk Saturday. Suppose he could have used a Bow.

SultanOfSwing Oct 28th 2014 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11453779)
Get a gun for Christmas.

Friend got his Elk Saturday. Suppose he could have used a Bow.

But guns are bad, mmkay ...

I might get one one day, for target shooting, but I'll probably wait until the kids are out of the house first. I'm not so interested in hunting, much too early a start for me :D

scrubbedexpat099 Oct 28th 2014 3:32 am

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Apparently the Elk thought so. I was going to go out with them. Never expected them to finish so early.

SmallShinyAnt Oct 28th 2014 3:57 am

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Looking forward to getting my first rifle for the range.

ottotheboar Oct 28th 2014 4:01 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11453797)
Apparently the Elk thought so. I was going to go out with them. Never expected them to finish so early.

That is very early we are seeing very little movement the warm temperatures plus the bountiful acorns, hickory nuts and persimmons are keeping the deer in the woods.

scrubbedexpat099 Oct 28th 2014 4:08 am

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I was surprised. I expected most would still be up high. Not sure where he got it. Leaves went early. That could have helped.

scrubbedexpat027 Oct 28th 2014 4:49 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11453789)
But guns are bad, mmkay ...

I might get one one day, for target shooting, but I'll probably wait until the kids are out of the house first. I'm not so interested in hunting, much too early a start for me :D

I've got 2 and love me a bit of target shooting. Haven't killed anyone yet.

SultanOfSwing Oct 28th 2014 4:51 am

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Originally Posted by dek (Post 11453885)
I've got 2 and love me a bit of target shooting. Haven't killed anyone yet.

I've done target archery (though when I went with my dad this summer it was the first time in about 20 years that I shot an arrow) before and I enjoyed it, I see the shooting as an extension of that. I'd give clay pigeons a go, too.

scrubbedexpat027 Oct 28th 2014 4:54 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11453889)
I've done target archery (though when I went with my dad this summer it was the first time in about 20 years that I shot an arrow) before and I enjoyed it, I see the shooting as an extension of that. I'd give clay pigeons ago, too.

It was just on my list as something I wanted to do, that I wouldn't get a chance to do back home. I'll probably sell them soon. I have learnt a lot about gun safety in the process though.

SultanOfSwing Oct 28th 2014 4:59 am

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Originally Posted by dek (Post 11453897)
It was just on my list as something I wanted to do, that I wouldn't get a chance to do back home. I'll probably sell them soon. I have learnt a lot about gun safety in the process though.

It would probably be easier for me to do than the target archery here. Everywhere I have seen that has a range seems to specialise in 3D targets, rather than the classic paper ones, which I'm not interested in. Making the move to pistols or rifles would mean I'd still be able to do the target shooting, albeit with a much more American flavour ...

Sally Redux Oct 28th 2014 4:59 am

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11452987)
Halloween seems the worst for the commercialism, store bought fancy dress, just seems against the spirit of fancy dress, and they are all such terrible quality, I know its only for one night wear, but they all look crap. I might not mind Halloween if it was not for a quarter of some stores being turned over to all the tacky crap decorations. And the bloody mountain of candy that has to be snook away from my kid when she is not looking.

A shop assistant was putting out the Halloween merchandise in a local shop and started a monologue about "why do they bother with all this awful stuff?"

Nutek Oct 28th 2014 5:24 am

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SultanOfSwing Oct 28th 2014 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 11453931)

It's clearly not loaded so that's fine. As an aside, my daughter calls guns (even her brother's NERF guns) 'die things'. I have no idea where she came up with that though :eek:

That being said, I was playing GTA the other day and she was playing nearby and kept yelling at me because I was shooting people.

Steve_ Oct 28th 2014 6:25 am

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Originally Posted by Michael (Post 11452961)
If the US could put Canada below our border, then I suspect gun deaths would rise in Canada as the illicit drug trade travelled through Canada to get to the US.:sneaky:

There's plenty of illicit drug trade between Canada and the US, there are grow ops all over the place in BC and then there was this: Police can’t grab Barrie brewery after grow-op bust | Toronto Star

Steve_ Oct 28th 2014 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11452967)
What is with Americans and Halloween ? Why do they have this weird obsession ?

Canadians expected to spend more than Americans on Halloween | CTV Edmonton News

Maybe it's just the exchange rate though. :lol:

Nutek Oct 28th 2014 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11453983)
It's clearly not loaded so that's fine. As an aside, my daughter calls guns (even her brother's NERF guns) 'die things'. I have no idea where she came up with that though :eek:

That being said, I was playing GTA the other day and she was playing nearby and kept yelling at me because I was shooting people.

She just emptied it. ;)

"die things" is great.


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