Sally Redux

A good school is more likely to involve the parents though.

You appeared to me to be saying the parents were all that mattered. That was why I sought clarification.

SultanOfSwing

Then I think children need to make a concerted effort to be less annoying. It's all I can do to put up with my own two

Leslie

I was listening to somebody ranting about food stamps, school lunches, and lazy parents. What would you do? Let the kids starve because the parents can't/won't/don't work? Seriously?

SultanOfSwing

Let the kids eat the parents. Everyone's happy.

RoadWarriorFromLP

Those are just some of the comments.

Hotscot

Absolutely yes.


Certainly not. Society as a whole is responsible.

amideislas

...again, good points, but I never suggested banning guns would be fair to anyone or remotely practical, as it would only fuel a black market.

No, it's a culture that has developed over many generations, spawned by an inalienable constitutional right to freely bear arms (interpretably, without restriction).

That in itself really isn't such a bad thing. It was actually a very wise constitutional amendment, particularly considering the nature of the era of its creation.

The problem is the interpretation of today was obviously never the real intent (e.g. to prevent tyrannical rule over the population). Today's interpretation has led to a comparatively well-armed population that feels well within it's rights to freely and openly exercise that right, and most troubling, the need and justification to use deadly force to defend itself from all the other weapons-grade punters out there. It's highly unlikely that the founding fathers would ever have anticipated that interpretation (or exercise) of that right in that way.

By the way, hunting is a major sport here. Saturday morning shotgun blasts galore. But they are shotguns. Equally capable of killing someone at close range, yet getting a permit requires a squeaky clean record, and at least some evidence that hunting is something that you would be facilitated to do (e.g., own a lot of land). Besides generally not being available to the average city dweller, shotguns are rather difficult to discreetly carry down the street to the local Tabaco shop without being seen and/or reported.

Hotscot

Yes I did discuss parental involvement as a significant aspect in child learning. Are you saying that's wrong?

Point out the part where I said parental responsibility was the only solution.

And do you understand that a multifaceted approach means addressing many issues simultaneously?

Sally Redux

The 'taxi driver' approach to society's ills may seem attractive, but where does it get us? Shooting kids cannot be the answer.

The Scandinavian approach has been shown to be more effective eg supplying a good comprehensive early years education.

Sally Redux

You did not initially refer to other facets, and have not said what they are.

I don't like arguing with me mates though

Hotscot

I think there was a misunderstanding that I was 'blaming the parents' which I am not. However that aspect, parental involvement, is an issue which my teacher wife specialises in. Therefore it's something I know about.

I'm sure we're aware that this, as well as socioeconomic disparity, attitude/behaviour towards minorities and many other aspects all contribute to the problem.

Hotscot

SultanOfSwing

Yes you do ...

Sally Redux

**** off.

SultanOfSwing

How does one **** off, exactly?

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