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Fry, on the difference between our comedy
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Very insightful! What program was this from?
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
I do not know its source.
Britain really is a culture of celebrating failure, I just think of Scott, charge of the light brigade and Dunkirk. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
I keeled over from boredom 60 seconds in.
Fry is no expert on comedy - he's about as funny as an unflushed toilet. The best American comdians have always been whiney Jews, the best British comedians have always been working class. British comedy stopped being funny when the university-educated elite took over. Rowan Atkinson, Ben Elton,Jennifer Saunders,Richard Curtis ? Do me a favour. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429077)
I keeled over from boredom 60 seconds in.
Fry is no expert on comedy - he's about as funny as an unflushed toilet. The best American comdians have always been whiney Jews, the best British comedians have always been working class. British comedy stopped being funny when the university-educated elite took over. Rowan Atkinson, Ben Elton,Jennifer Saunders,Richard Curtis ? Do me a favour. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
It's from the Hay Lectures a few years back. Go Youtube and you'll find one for most of the last few years - all very good.
Coincidentally I had this on my Dad blog last week. :) |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429077)
I keeled over from boredom 60 seconds in.
Fry is no expert on comedy - he's about as funny as an unflushed toilet. The best American comdians have always been whiney Jews, the best British comedians have always been working class. British comedy stopped being funny when the university-educated elite took over. Rowan Atkinson, Ben Elton,Jennifer Saunders,Richard Curtis ? Do me a favour. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Isn't Fry's mother Jewish? I find his style and persona to be slightly whiny albeit in a amusing way. I follow him on twitter, brilliant guy and a national treasure IMO.
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Montfan72
(Post 10429324)
brilliant guy and a national treasure IMO.
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429077)
I keeled over from boredom 60 seconds in.
Fry is no expert on comedy - he's about as funny as an unflushed toilet. The best American comdians have always been whiney Jews, the best British comedians have always been working class. British comedy stopped being funny when the university-educated elite took over. Rowan Atkinson, Ben Elton,Jennifer Saunders,Richard Curtis ? Do me a favour. If you laughed at somebody's comedy and THEN found out they were the 'university-educated elite', what would your reaction be, I wonder? Or do you first find out their background before deciding whether to watch their humour or not? (And laugh, or try to suppress it) I'm not so sure I am clear what is truly meant by "the university educated elite" taking over, but your comment made me realise that for me at least, the disappearance of the racist, bigoted working class comic is not something I lament, AND I have to say there were many jokes I heard from such comics that did make me laugh... My step father, a man who has been in my life since I was 5, and had effectively been there to raise me, milks cows and shovels shit on a farm for a living - solidly working class. I went to university, helped in no small part by his sacrifice. Does that make me elite? I can be funny sometimes too. If I was a comic, I wonder how you'd react? http://aardvarkian.files.wordpress.c...04_228x256.jpg |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Montfan72
(Post 10429324)
Isn't Fry's mother Jewish? I find his style and persona to be slightly whiny albeit in a amusing way. I follow him on twitter, brilliant guy and a national treasure IMO.
Although I can understand how sad people who follow celebrities on Twitter would get excited about sharing his spotlight second-hand. He's the poster boy of the smugeratti. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429517)
A national bore more likely.
Although I can understand how sad people who follow celebrities on Twitter would get excited about sharing his spotlight second-hand. He's the poster boy of the smugeratti. And frankly how is using twitter any different to using a site like BE? Do you consider yourself sad for posting on here? |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10429470)
I'm not so sure I am clear what is truly meant by "the university educated elite" taking over, but your comment made me realise that for me at least, the disappearance of the racist, bigoted working class comic is not something I lament, AND I have to say there were many jokes I heard from such comics that did make me laugh...
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 10430148)
Probably referring to the Cambridge Footlights or Oxford Revue set.
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429077)
I keeled over from boredom 60 seconds in.
Fry is no expert on comedy - he's about as funny as an unflushed toilet. The best American comdians have always been whiney Jews, the best British comedians have always been working class. British comedy stopped being funny when the university-educated elite took over. Rowan Atkinson, Ben Elton,Jennifer Saunders,Richard Curtis ? Do me a favour. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Not sure we really learn anything, but maybe the demise of the working mans club is to blame.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010...y-middle-class http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...-class-sitcoms |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 10430148)
Probably referring to the Cambridge Footlights or Oxford Revue set.
But I went to 2 universities, including a 'top 10' one, so I am wondering if I am 'double elite' status and if this will get me in to the BA lunge at the airport? |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
The problem is, of course, that few genuine British working class comedians appear on television any more because the commissioning editors and top-level management all come from the same university-elite clique.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth. Armando Iannucci ? And Clive Anderson. Jimmy Carr. David Mitchell. Marcus Brigstock. Michael Mcintyre. The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless. Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen. Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today but you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave.Eventually the suits in charge got cold feet. Rowan Atkinson is the only internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes. All the others I've mentioned are rank dross. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10430341)
The problem is, of course, that few genuine British working class comedians appear on television any more because the commissioning editors and top-level management all come from the same university-elite clique.
They're the type of people who, God forbid, think that Armando Iannucci is the funniest man on earth. Armando Iannucci ? And Clive Anderson. Jimmy Carr. David Mitchell. Marcus Brigstock. Michael Mcintyre. The list of the same unfunny funny people who prop up virtually every television show is endless. Anyone vaguely dangerous or not following the same,dull line as all the others such as Frankie Boyle are quickly ushered off the screen. Boyle is without doubt the funniest, most offensive,most challenging stand-up working in Britain today and you'll only ever see him on ancient repeats on Dave. One exception, in fact the only exception, is Rowan Atkinson - the only genuinely internationally famous British comedian. And he became internationally famous by not telling jokes. All the others I've mentioned are rank dross. Talk about chip on your shoulder!! Sacha Baren Cohen- British Jew, went to Cambridge. Did you know that all the so-called working class English comedians were closet queers and slept with the elite producers inorder to get famous? Yeah, they all sucked cock! |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10430301)
I was familiar with some of the 'who' aspect - just not the 'taking over' aspect..
But I went to 2 universities, including a 'top 10' one, so I am wondering if I am 'double elite' status and if this will get me in to the BA lunge at the airport? Pray, what is the BA lunge at the airport?:eek: Sounds fascinating:rofl: |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Tonight on Radio 4 was the banner comedy show - Mark Steel's In Town. He rejected a move to television with that show as well. He's about as non Oxbridge set as you can get.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years. Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again. It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 10428155)
I do not know its source.
Britain really is a culture of celebrating failure, I just think of Scott, charge of the light brigade and Dunkirk. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Ethelred_the_Unready
(Post 10435292)
No, we don't celebrate failure, we just don't take ourselves too seriously and aren't afraid to take the piss or to make our televison and comedy more like real life. Failure is just a fact of life. You don't have to embrace it, but you should accept it. American televison and humour is very much about painting an illusion; the dream, a big house, wife & kids, popularity. Real life isn't like that.
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by JRG67
(Post 10435300)
Speak for yourself!:p I'm living the dream:thumbup:
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Ethelred_the_Unready
(Post 10435302)
That's because you're a supermodel
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by JRG67
(Post 10430355)
Pray, what is the BA lunge at the airport?:eek:
Sounds fascinating:rofl: |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Captain Cheesestick
(Post 10430361)
Tonight on Radio 4 was the banner comedy show - Mark Steel's In Town. He rejected a move to television with that show as well. He's about as non Oxbridge set as you can get.
Add that the biggest money spent on a comedian recently for a stand alone BBC show was for Stewart Lee. His ex-comedy partner can't get a TV gig for love nor money in spite of his Cambridge history. Both used to write for Ianucci. Who had a huge hand in both Alan Partridge and The Day Today - which would never get commissioned today in a million years. Frankie Boyle isn't on TV by choice you know too. He didn't want to do it anymore. Hence why he deliberately only does a few panel shows with Charlie Brooker or Sean Lock every now and again. It does though sound like you have a massive problem with class. That will be the same kind of comedian I guess, as Adam Sandler... :blink: Funniest guy I've seen on stage last is Reginald D Hunter. You can't put all of that on TV, the intelligentsia would have a fit... :thumbup: |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10435444)
Stewart Lee is classed as a comedian?
That will be the same kind of comedian I guess, as Adam Sandler... :blink: Funniest guy I've seen on stage last is Reginald D Hunter. You can't put all of that on TV, the intelligentsia would have a fit... :thumbup: |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Captain Cheesestick
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10429517)
A national bore more likely.
Although I can understand how sad people who follow celebrities on Twitter would get excited about sharing his spotlight second-hand. He's the poster boy of the smugeratti. Thanks to the OP for posting - great insights as always. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10435613)
In me not finding either of them funny - horses for courses, I guess...
I like the films done by the Coen brothers- they don't "glamourize" American culture. I also enjoy South Park- I'd love to hang out with the guys who write it (they are very brave:thumbup:) I'm also a fan of Monty Python, and I enjoy the "Harry and Paul" show. Anything/body that shows the absurdity of the human condition (Sacha Baren Cohen) is good by me, regardless of nationality. I also enjoy some Japanese comedians- many of them have a good sense of the absurd.. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Captain Cheesestick
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 10436390)
Hard to imagine two more different comedians.
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10436435)
Perhaps... Except for me they are similar in levels of funniness - about minus 11
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Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10436435)
Perhaps... Except for me they are similar in levels of funniness - about minus 11
Or the woman voted Best Female Comic on TV at this year's British Comedy Awrads - Jo Brand. I mean, Dear God, some has-been currently performing almost exclusively on Dave doing the same of schtick about her weight that she's been doing for years. Jo Brand for goodness sake. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10437747)
Much the same as the truly dreadful Michael McIntyre.
Or the woman voted Best Female Comic on TV at this year's British Comedy Awrads - Jo Brand. I mean, Dear God, some has-been currently performing almost exclusively on Dave doing the same of schtick about her weight that she's been doing for years. Jo Brand for goodness sake. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10437747)
Much the same as the truly dreadful Michael McIntyre.
Or the woman voted Best Female Comic on TV at this year's British Comedy Awrads - Jo Brand. I mean, Dear God, some has-been currently performing almost exclusively on Dave doing the same of schtick about her weight that she's been doing for years. Jo Brand for goodness sake. I saw her years ago at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe - after she'd been 'famous' on TV for a bit - she was decidedly unfunny - along with that donkey knob from 'The Word' (IIRC) - he stripped off when he admitted he was sh1t that night - it was not a good image - I'm still getting therapy... |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by HarryTheSpider
(Post 10438176)
Jo Brand - WTF?
I saw her years ago at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe - after she'd been 'famous' on TV for a bit - she was decidedly unfunny - along with that donkey knob from 'The Word' (IIRC) - he stripped off when he admitted he was sh1t that night - it was not a good image - I'm still getting therapy... What made you go and see her show????:eek: |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by Cuthbert Rizla
(Post 10437747)
Much the same as the truly dreadful Michael McIntyre.
Or the woman voted Best Female Comic on TV at this year's British Comedy Awrads - Jo Brand. I mean, Dear God, some has-been currently performing almost exclusively on Dave doing the same of schtick about her weight that she's been doing for years. Jo Brand for goodness sake. We also saw Jo Brand a long time ago at the Fringe, she had a signer on stage with her, the only thing I remember about the show was how funny the signer was, I especially liked the sign for incontinence. We went to see Dylan Moran (pronounced Moron by the introducer:lol:) on Saturday night. He was very good, not hysterical or cutting edge, but there is something great about seeing a comedian who is very comfortable with who he is and his material, they aren't trying too hard to please or shock. |
Re: Fry, on the difference between our comedy
Originally Posted by JRG67
(Post 10438188)
Ha ha!:rofl::thumbup:
What made you go and see her show????:eek: ...Well, I think it was free, and it was raining, and to not go would have required us to come up with an alternative - and walking somewhere in the rain - again. Besides, I think she'd been funny once, for 5 minutes on TV, and I stupidly thought that was representative... |
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