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Old Jan 24th 2014, 5:49 pm
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Start up costs of renting are pretty standard in the area.

You'll get deposit back if place is returned in good condition, except a animal deposit.

Thing to look at is property taxes, can easily have $10-20K+ property taxes a year on decent areas with decent schools.

Also, what's the visa status? Get laid off and you'd have to leave pretty much immediately and it does happen.
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Start up costs of renting are pretty standard in the area.

You'll get deposit back if place is returned in good condition, except a animal deposit.

Thing to look at is property taxes, can easily have $10-20K+ property taxes a year on decent areas with decent schools.

Also, what's the visa status? Get laid off and you'd have to leave pretty much immediately and it does happen.
Is property tax paid upfront? or can you pay it in instalments like Council Tax in the UK?


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Originally Posted by hoffage123
Is property tax paid upfront? ....
It accrues throughout the year and is usually paid annually to the county/ city. In the case of most mortgaged property is administered by the mortgage bank, so you pay the taxes monthly throughout the year at the same time as your mortgage. The buyer is credited with the elapsed period at closing, so the buyer only pays for the period during which they own the property.

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One thing is for sure. Renting is less attractive compared with buying than it would be if you did not have dogs.
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Old Jan 24th 2014, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
So your situation is just about the polar opposite to the OP's situation. .... And given that there was no cost saving to you, I still don't see anything to brag about not using a realtor.
The housing market in the area we got our house is very competitive, one open house we went to there were 30+ people there while we were there, the house ended up in a huge bidding war and went for considerably more than the listing price.

The only reason we got the house we now have is because we did it the way we did. The realtors are greedy here, he didn't want to share 5% commission. There were other offers on the house, one was a cash offer slightly less than we offered and they went with us. Maybe no cost saving to us but we got the house we wanted in a very competitive area so more than happy to brag about it

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Originally Posted by notonuksoil
The housing market in the area we got our house is very competitive, one open house we went to there were 30+ people there while we were there, the house ended up in a huge bidding war and went for considerably more than the listing price.

The only reason we got the house we now have is because we did it the way we did. The realtors are greedy here, he didn't want to share 5% commission. There were other offers on the house, one was a cash offer slightly less than we offered and they went with us. Maybe no cost saving to us but we got the house we wanted in a very competitive area so more than happy to brag about it.
I know the area, we looked at many houses across the length and breadth of Westchester ourselves. I am pleased it worked out for you, but other realtors consider buyers without an agent to be less reliable, less known, and more risky, so having a realtor to vouch for you can tip the balance too. Unfortunately sometimes your scenario tips the balance, and sometimes my scenario tips the balance, and unless you bug the seller's realtor's office nobody knows why one offer was accepted over another.

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
Curious...why did you end to pretend to be a realtor..? Round here anyone can go to the open houses- that's kind of the point of them

Also curious on the 2.5% vs 5%.....of course the realtor would agree to it... but what was the advantage to you? Do you think you got a better price, or moved up the pecking order?
It was a "brokers" open house they are always on the same day same time each week. The market here is so competitive with buyers brokers coming up from Manhattan to look for homes for their clients, its purely based on the school district. We were competing with cash buyers with pre school kids moving to the burbs.

The advantage to us was we got the house we wanted, it without a doubt moved us to the top of the pecking order.
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Originally Posted by Flabound oneday
facing that sort of loss, I would buy.

you say 6% commission is bad (and you need to add another 1.5% approx. to cover title etc if seller pays) BUT if you factor in home inflation ,unless the market crashes you should more than cover that

if you pay say $400k for a house and lost the 6%-7.5% on it that's still 'only' a 24-30k loss and you would have the benefit of having your own home to do as you please.
We have been here 9 years and will be lucky to get back what we paid for it, never mind the large amount spent on upgrades and maintenance. I wouldn't bank on 'home inflation'.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
We have been here 9 years and will be lucky to get back what we paid for it, never mind the large amount spent on upgrades and maintenance. I wouldn't bank on 'home inflation'.
A neighbor of mine lost $60,000 on a home he owned for only a few years, ... in Connecticut.
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Originally Posted by hoffage123
Is property tax paid upfront? or can you pay it in instalments like Council Tax in the UK?


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I can't speak for Connecticut, but here in California -- the tax comes due on July 1st [the "assessment date"] and is then payable in two installments of November 10th and April 10th. [Given the way the US income tax works, if one does not have a refund coming, April can be a bitch in payment].

Many loan agreements provide for "impound accounts" for monthly payments towards taxes and insurance. The financial institution makes the payments. If memory serves me correct, once one has more than 80% "equity" in a home, the homeowner can forego impound.

BTW, property tax payments are deductible on itemized income tax returns.
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Originally Posted by Nutmegger
Here there are often realtor open houses during the week, where the people "in the trade" get introduced to new listings by the listing agents, then at the weekends -- usually Sundays -- there are public open houses that anyone can attend.
Ok...never heard of that...they may do that here, but just never seen it. Thanks
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Originally Posted by notonuksoil
It was a "brokers" open house they are always on the same day same time each week. The market here is so competitive with buyers brokers coming up from Manhattan to look for homes for their clients, its purely based on the school district. We were competing with cash buyers with pre school kids moving to the burbs.

The advantage to us was we got the house we wanted, it without a doubt moved us to the top of the pecking order.
Interesting...thanks
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Originally Posted by S Folinsky
I can't speak for Connecticut, but here in California -- the tax comes due on July 1st [the "assessment date"] and is then payable in two installments of November 10th and April 10th.
In the three towns in which I've lived in CT, real estate taxes have been due the last day of July and the last day of January. Auto taxes are due the last day of July. Some towns I am aware of have an October 31 date for filing personal property tax info returns, but the actual cash is again ponied up at that July 31 deadline.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
A neighbor of mine lost $60,000 on a home he owned for only a few years, ... in Connecticut.
A friend of mine just closed at a $40,000 loss after about five years of ownership.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
A neighbor of mine lost $60,000 on a home he owned for only a few years, ... in Connecticut.
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A friend of mine just closed at a $40,000 loss after about five years of ownership.
What was their original LTV?
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