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:confused: Why would people be offended? You laughed and I asked why you laughed because I couldn't see anything funny. Simple question, not a big deal.

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I have done the California Ag checkpoint out of Oregon several times. While I have never been searched for banned produce I do realize I might. It really isn't a bad program, just trying to keep unwanted insect pests out. Effective??

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May be a generational thing. My experience is that most people say wind down or roll down, in both UK and U.S.

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If you're going to start picking on every linguistic foible of British expats, given that English usage within the UK is extremely diverse, and here on BE that great diversity of usage has been dumped into a blender and mixed in with US, Canadian, Australian, and NZ usage, among other places, you are going to be very busy indeed. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, like no one else is "busy" on BE!!:rolleyes:

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What kind of car these days has wind down windows ? Last one I had was a 1977 Ford Pinto

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Didn't you see the last word that you quoted from Robin's post? :rolleyes:

Clue: it's a Toyota model.

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A 2009 Yaris comes with wind down windows ? :ohmy: Whatever for ? Cant be as a price saver

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Demand from luddite retired librarians? :unsure:

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AM only radio included at no extra cost ?

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Quite a few it seems. Where FIL works, they got in a few new trucks, I think he said they were Chevy's this time. Bottom of the rack models, came with hand crank windows...the crap Dodge Ram's they replaced which were a few years old were hand cranked too.

If there was anything more basic about those trucks, I couldn't imagine what it might be.

It only came up in conversation because the truck he got, the window crank is already broken. Been in the shop for 2 of the 3 weeks they have had them.

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I'm a bit surprised at this. I know that in the 1970s there were a lot of cars and trucks coming off the assembly lines that were basic, stick shift, wind down windows, AM/FM radio but no cassette players and CDs were still in the not too distant future. There were even some that were shipped to California that had no A/C. Dealers charged extra for floor mats in some cases I remember.

By the mid/late 90s all that were lacking in the above were standard equipment including ABS brakes and cruise control so it was a surprise that Toyota of all people were still making models without power windows as late as 2009. As far as kids are concerned wind down windows aren't the best idea either. Unlike power windows the driver cannot lock all the windows shut with a master button

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I never felt I needed electric windows, but all three of my vehicles have them and it is handy to be able to control them all from the driver's seat, if I need to talk to someone outside on the passenger side, or let out a fly that is buzzing around.

That said under some circumstances electric windows are a safety issue because if you drive into water and the battery and electric circuits short out and you may not be able to open the doors because of the water pressure, then you need to escape through the windows, and if you can't open those. ..... :scaredhair:

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That's a thought but I guess if I was driving across some place like the Florida Keys I would lower the windows down just in case and ignore the protests of my passengers

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Right so getting back to my earlier point, now the UK has voted for Brexit, you'll see the same shade of idiots arguing for the US to leave NAFTA and the TTP and stopping all this nonsense at the US border will become impossible.

Although as I've said in other threads, a vote to leave the EU is really a vote be an EEA state like Norway because the Irish and the Scottish won't settle for anything less and the EU will push that because they don't want anyone else to leave.

So there will still be freedom of movement. Now that could warp some American minds.

Anyway I must be off to buy some heroin using some pocket change because the border controls are soooooo effective at stopping it from being illegally imported.