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Old Feb 13th 2014 | 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle_Bob
Competition is coming. Other companies are building out fiber optic networks and delivering triple play services.
Not really.

Google is just sticking to the 3 or 4 cities that they have.

FIOS have finished rolling out their pipeline, so what's out there is it.

ATT is also epically slow on the roll out.
 
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Incredible that these monopolies are allowed to carve it up.
The country is in need of a new set of Trust Busters. Was a time when monopolies like that would not be allowed. Hell, back in the day General Motors had to be broken in to 3 separate divisions, Chevy, Olds, Pontiac Cadilac, because they were too big. I will be a bit surprised if this is approved by the Fed without some serious protections for the consumer. The ruling against Net Neutrality is also a farce. The oligarchy keeps growing.
 
Old Feb 14th 2014 | 4:39 am
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ps (Update): Perhaps this is why....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/c...hinal/5454055/
Yeah, as I said above they're trying to stick it to Netflix et al. Even The Pirate Bay cannot get around a charge on just their traffic over that specific network. It's not content specific, it's a charge for the transmission, whatever it contains.

If Comcast controls the network and there's no longer net neutrality, then Comcast can charge Netflix for transmissions over its network. So expect a steep rise in your Netflix bill soon. Even Youtube could be affected by this, they'll start charging Google.

The whole model of how people watch TV has changed, lots of people have dumped cable, put up an antenna and supplement that with stuff they watch on the internet using Youtube and Netflix.

So now it's not just about controlling content, it's about controlling the wires it all goes through to make up the loss in cable revenue.

I expect if they start sticking it to Google (which they may well) then Google will start putting in more of their own cable, they'll have to.

I'm more worried about what will happen in Canada, because does this mean that Comcast for example will start charging foreign telecommunications companies for transmissions over their network? I suspect so, although I see reciprocal agreements taking place so that Comcast can transmit content over Canadian networks.

Frankly though this is the death of cable TV, if you're going to get charged to use stuff on the internet, you may as well ditch cable ASAP.
 
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Yeah, as I said above they're trying to stick it to Netflix et al. Even The Pirate Bay cannot get around a charge on just their traffic over that specific network. It's not content specific, it's a charge for the transmission, whatever it contains.

If Comcast controls the network and there's no longer net neutrality, then Comcast can charge Netflix for transmissions over its network. So expect a steep rise in your Netflix bill soon. Even Youtube could be affected by this, they'll start charging Google.

The whole model of how people watch TV has changed, lots of people have dumped cable, put up an antenna and supplement that with stuff they watch on the internet using Youtube and Netflix.

So now it's not just about controlling content, it's about controlling the wires it all goes through to make up the loss in cable revenue.

I expect if they start sticking it to Google (which they may well) then Google will start putting in more of their own cable, they'll have to.

I'm more worried about what will happen in Canada, because does this mean that Comcast for example will start charging foreign telecommunications companies for transmissions over their network? I suspect so, although I see reciprocal agreements taking place so that Comcast can transmit content over Canadian networks.

Frankly though this is the death of cable TV, if you're going to get charged to use stuff on the internet, you may as well ditch cable ASAP.
Er Google OWNS YouTube. ..... Any charge would be a "book entry"

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Old Feb 14th 2014 | 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Er Google OWNS YouTube. ..... Any charge would be a "bookentry"
Hence them charging Google.
 
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Hence them charging Google.
But it'd be like Mrs P Charging me for meals. If I wrote her a check it would be drawn on the same account she pays it in to.
 
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The big bed's so cozy.....

He attended the White House state dinner for Francois Hollande last night:

http://corporate.comcast.com/news-in.../david-l-cohen

....bio doesn't disclose how much he's shelling out (and probably raising, as well) for his "place at the table"
 
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The worst part is not the fees and awful customer service, it's that they can now dictate even more to the tv channels. Get on their wrong side and suddenly they won't carry that channel anymore - and no discounts for the people who suddenly lose that channel.
 
Old Feb 14th 2014 | 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
I'm a Comcast customer ... I would love to dump them but as you say high speed internet (I sometimes work at home and need the bandwidth) is the stumbling block.
But, see here, they're committed to their customers best interest:
http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast...rld-class-wifi

BTW: note the date of that blog and read into it what you will
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Er Google OWNS YouTube. ..... Any charge would be a "book entry"
Which is what I said:
Even Youtube could be affected by this, they'll start charging Google.
Ergo, if Google gets charged for transmitting data, you may end up having to pay for Youtube, is what I meant.

And it won't be a minor charge to Google. They really want to start sticking it to Google, Eric Schmidt has been worried about it for years, the "Balkanization" of the internet. Google has a lot of money but putting in their own network would take many years. During which Comcast etc. will be making a lot of money off them - so the cash pile moves from Google to Comcast, which is the objective of the exercise.
 
Old Feb 14th 2014 | 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_
if Google gets charged for transmitting data, you may end up having to pay for Youtube.
And it won't be a minor charge to Google. They really want to start sticking it to Google, Eric Schmidt has been worried about it for years, the "Balkanization" of the internet. Google has a lot of money but putting in their own network would take many years. During which Comcast etc. will be making a lot of money off them - so the cash pile moves from Google to Comcast, which is the objective of the exercise.
Rest assured - they aim to partner with Google!
The following is from the reassurance they posted yesterday on their corporate blog (full text linked to in my prior post, above, and a real hoot):

"WiFi is part of Comcast’s broader strategy to create the foundation our customers need to power their Internet-connected devices both inside and outside of the home. Because WiFi is strategically important to Comcast, we are partnering with Google, Microsoft, Arris, the International Association of Venue Managers, and other companies, organizations and public sector institutions to create a new coalition called WiFiForward whose mission is to push for more unlicensed spectrum."

Now Steve - don't you feel better?
 
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Yeah, so they want to also stick it to the FCC in partnership with Google. But they also want to stick it to Google.
 
Old Feb 14th 2014 | 7:33 am
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...et?CMP=ema_565

Note the comments from Netflix.
 
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Originally Posted by Steve_
Yeah, as I said above they're trying to stick it to Netflix et al. Even The Pirate Bay cannot get around a charge on just their traffic over that specific network. It's not content specific, it's a charge for the transmission, whatever it contains.
If Comcast controls the network and there's no longer net neutrality, then Comcast can charge Netflix for transmissions over its network. So expect a steep rise in your Netflix bill soon. Even Youtube could be affected by this, they'll start charging Google.
The whole model of how people watch TV has changed, lots of people have dumped cable, put up an antenna and supplement that with stuff they watch on the internet using Youtube and Netflix.
So now it's not just about controlling content, it's about controlling the wires it all goes through to make up the loss in cable revenue.
I expect if they start sticking it to Google (which they may well) then Google will start putting in more of their own cable, they'll have to.

Frankly though this is the death of cable TV, if you're going to get charged to use stuff on the internet, you may as well ditch cable ASAP.
I agree completely - until your last sentence, which leaves me
We can't "ditch cable"!
Hence the title of this thread: For many (most?) of us - it's the only way to get high speed broadband internet! Full stop. Where I live (LA) there's no Verizon FIOS, no Google, no anything but Time Warner Cable.
And that's precisely why Comcast's machinations appear to pose threat they do.
 
Old Feb 14th 2014 | 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_
Yeah, so they want to also stick it to the FCC in partnership with Google. But they also want to stick it to Google.
Of course they do! (was my sarcasm that subtle) ?
 


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