Lion in Winter

Well did they know the rules before they knocked on your door?

Lion in Winter

And in a related incident, I've had an oil company exec. with his hat out at my door.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html

fatbrit

Keep going! Preferably up to the November elections. Misogyny is undoubtedly a losing platform in contemporary America.

SultanOfSwing

Hey, my house is private, not public, they should have thought about it first ...

Lion in Winter

Would have thought enough booze was consumed there to make it a public house.

SultanOfSwing

You'd be surprised at how little I actually drink at all these days ...

Lion in Winter

Yeah, that makes two of us. a) Have a child and b) Absence of pub culture and pubs

SultanOfSwing

Aye, though if I'm willing to travel I can find a pub but it's not worth the hangover anymore to be honest. I might crack open a Guinness tonight though if the ba goes to sleep early enough to make it worthwhile ...

HarryTheSpider

Is any of that cooking sherry still around...?

SultanOfSwing

Help yourself. You've got an hour less to enjoy it though ...

Michael

The problem is that it is not about paying for contraceptives since that will save only a few cents on everybody's insurance policy whether is is paid by the insurance or not. If it is about whether insurance companies should cover something, why not go after "hip replacement surgery" or "open heart surgery". That will save a lot of money and since many of the young won't need that surgery for many years, why should all those young people have to pay for something they don't need?

The only reason something like that is not brought up is because everybody would think you are a real ditto head but the argument is the same. The far right likes to divide people by using "insane" arguments that many buy into because of their religious or other beliefs. That is where the real class warfare is going on.

HarryTheSpider

Hmmm - I live in AZ so may be not!

HarryTheSpider

To those of you who think Limbaugh was right, even thoug he 'chose the wrong words' I've saved your lazy arses the trouble of finding the testimony Ms Fluke gave to Congress.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nd-womens-hea/

Read it. I dare you.

Then comment.

Or not. It's a free country, sort of, for the moment.
Unless you're deemed to not be competent to testify on women's health issues because your, well, a woman, as well as perhaps an activist.

In the mean time I'll be watching out for Colbert's next appalling slur... For he IS an entertainer...

SATX John

Michael, thank you an honest discussion on the topic. I appeciate you have point of view and do not sling tired old one liner's from a menu like some members. You make several good points on the overall health care issue. Of course, Hip surgery does not generate headlines. This is a politically generated issue to further seperate the country along religious lines.

I do not think the government should dictate what should be covered in private insurance policies. The market will screen those that are not wanted by consumers. The current admin waives these things for those businesses that support them, yet in this case the business (university/Catholic Church) does not. Many waivers for the 2014 Health Care law are in place. It is intellectually dishonest to not admit that both sides have this same baggage. The testimony she presented was skewed, just as was the republican led testimony. If you can call all the wtinesses, then you get your own desired endstate.

V/R

Lion in Winter

I have no idea what sort of health coverage is "not wanted by consumers" - perhaps you could provide examples. On the other hand, I can think of many, many health services in the US that are "wanted by consumers" and that insurance will not cover because the actuaries have determined that it's not good business. And this, of course, is why the commercial model of health care is fatally flawed.

Government's job is to help distribute the goods of society where "the market" will not. Choice over conception is fairly clearly a public good - look at the consequences of accidental conception.

To follow your argument, the government should not force private citizens to fund the armed forces, or pave roads, or build schools. We all pay into those regardless of "market forces" or our private wills. Corporations pay tax for all sorts of things, and they support those items too. Should they not?