Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
Hi:
I have a boodle of miles from Korean Air from the days when I would fly to Asia. Korean Air is part of the Skyteam Alliance, as is Delta, Continental, NW, AeroMexico & Czech Airlines.
I've had good experience with them. I am so glad to be rid of British Airways -- which NEVER had a non-eventful flight.
I have a boodle of miles from Korean Air from the days when I would fly to Asia. Korean Air is part of the Skyteam Alliance, as is Delta, Continental, NW, AeroMexico & Czech Airlines.
I've had good experience with them. I am so glad to be rid of British Airways -- which NEVER had a non-eventful flight.
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
Well she got her bags back, and they delivered them as well. But doesn't excuse the very rude KLM employee in Amsterdam.... A young woman traveling alone with small children should be helped and not made to feel helpless. She really felt that if she said something back to this employee that she would have not got her on that flight and she would have been stranded in Amsterdam all day with small children....
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
Once up to the counter the guy checked her in (and her four large pieces of luggage - all under 50lbs) and told her the flight was very full - it was over sold! Why do they do that? Do they really think no one will show up for their flight? Or is there another reason?
People no show all the time for flights, and 99% of the time the airline is accurate and can get volunteers so one will generally not be invol. denied boarding.
I worked flights on flights with a capacity of 190, booked to 220 and leave with non-revenue passengers and empty seats.
In 5 years I only ever had to deny someone boarding once due to an overbooking, all other times there was either room, or they volunteered to take a later flight, but most of the time, enough no shows, so plane still had an empty seat or 2.
People no show all the time for flights, and 99% of the time the airline is accurate and can get volunteers so one will generally not be invol. denied boarding.
I worked flights on flights with a capacity of 190, booked to 220 and leave with non-revenue passengers and empty seats.
In 5 years I only ever had to deny someone boarding once due to an overbooking, all other times there was either room, or they volunteered to take a later flight, but most of the time, enough no shows, so plane still had an empty seat or 2.
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
Hi:
I have a boodle of miles from Korean Air from the days when I would fly to Asia. Korean Air is part of the Skyteam Alliance, as is Delta, Continental, NW, AeroMexico & Czech Airlines.
I've had good experience with them. I am so glad to be rid of British Airways -- which NEVER had a non-eventful flight.
I have a boodle of miles from Korean Air from the days when I would fly to Asia. Korean Air is part of the Skyteam Alliance, as is Delta, Continental, NW, AeroMexico & Czech Airlines.
I've had good experience with them. I am so glad to be rid of British Airways -- which NEVER had a non-eventful flight.
Effective October 25, 2009 Continental will no longer be in Star Alliance.
http://www.continental.com/web/en-US.../alliance.aspx
I have flown virtually every US airline and never had major issues on any of them, can't be all luck.
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Well she got her bags back, and they delivered them as well. But doesn't excuse the very rude KLM employee in Amsterdam.... A young woman traveling alone with small children should be helped and not made to feel helpless. She really felt that if she said something back to this employee that she would have not got her on that flight and she would have been stranded in Amsterdam all day with small children....
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If all Airlines could be persuaded to follow this policy it would work. Business travellers who book multiple flights with multiple airlines - for same Dep/Arr would mitigate the problem for nonB - without any need for non competitive information sharing. Though this is moot, as more Airlines are merging and options for B and nonB pax.
But more importantly, as others have said - the airlines have this statistical model down pat and don't usually make a mistake. And if they do - they then ask for volunteers, and compensate them well. As a starving student, I volunteered to be 'bumped' on a flight from Toronto to London; I was put up in a fancy hotel (via limo ride) and given food vouchers; it was by far the most elaborate day of my entire visit to Canada (which was otherwise spent camping!).
Note that the subjects of this thread were not bumped ... it was only mentioned that they were over-booked. I don't recall anyone ever being bumped involuntarily - they literally keep improving the offer until someone volunteers ... one free ticket ... two free tickets ...
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
In hindsight, nothing much
On flight to London, the 747-400 coming in from Heathrow was cancelled and they used a 747-200 -- and to reseat everybody took THREE HOURS due to different configuration.
Later flight to London during a Los Angeles heatwave -- they late people through international security 90 minutes late, and when you arrived at the gate, we were IMMEDIATELY boarded leaving the air-conditioned gate waiting area onto the plane -- which the ground air conditioning was NOT working -- kept in the sauna for an additional 60 minutes. It never occurred to them that they could have allowed us to wait in the boarding area. Once on the plane, you could not get off!
Return on that flight -- takeoff delayed when 1st class passanger got ill -- I don't blame them for that -- but then it took TWO HOURS to unload that guys luggage!
Trip to Germany uneventful -- trip back was a nightmare -- MY tickets were fine, my wife's were erased from the computer. Long discussions to board at Tegel, Heathrow and then EWR [American Airlines code share]. The ground people at Tegel, Heathrow, JFK [we landed at JFK and had a two day layover in NY] were totally unable to fix the future legs of her flight.
Wife took trip to Israel. The HRW-LAX flight was delayed six hours.
Moral -- four trips on BA and all four were screwed up.
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
My MIL arrived a week in a half ago, she flew BA this time and has done a few times coming over.....this time she did have a few problems. When she checked in they couldn't find her name and then they found it boarded her on the plane and then after she was seated she had a few different people asking her if she was in the right seat. Found out that they had lost her again....
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My sons have been flying from Leeds/Bradford via Amsterdam every since NW started the Amsterdam - Portland service and think it is about the best of all the ways they have come over. Be interesting to see what they say this year, as one comes next month and one at Christmas, now the merger has taken place.
At the Anchorage end we were frantically trying to get someone to give us even a tiny slither of information now i know that hes over 18 so technically they wernt supposed to be handing out passenger details but i also happen to be the one who paid for his ticket on my credit card. In 3 seperate visits (yes we went home overrnight) we were told he'd be arriving on 3 different flights he was on none, he managed to get onto a Delta flight somewhere in between us driving the 100 miles round trip to the airport and home.
Kid says he probably wont visit again for a while as he doesnt want to go through that again.
Good luck with the NW/Delta nightmare
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I'm between a rock and a hard place with Delta and Korean Air. Have a client flying from here to Japan, Japan to Tel Aviv and then back here, all biz class. One segment is actually flown on Korean Air, but the flight number is a Delta one, and it's ticketed that way. Delta says Korean has to give me the guy's seat assignment, Korean says Delta has to. I have been back and forth on this 6 times and it's ridiculous. They are supposed to be partners, yeah? Bushwa!
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
I'm between a rock and a hard place with Delta and Korean Air. Have a client flying from here to Japan, Japan to Tel Aviv and then back here, all biz class. One segment is actually flown on Korean Air, but the flight number is a Delta one, and it's ticketed that way. Delta says Korean has to give me the guy's seat assignment, Korean says Delta has to. I have been back and forth on this 6 times and it's ridiculous. They are supposed to be partners, yeah? Bushwa!
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Re: Anyone flying Northwest/Delta be prepared for the Sky Team experience...
I'm between a rock and a hard place with Delta and Korean Air. Have a client flying from here to Japan, Japan to Tel Aviv and then back here, all biz class. One segment is actually flown on Korean Air, but the flight number is a Delta one, and it's ticketed that way. Delta says Korean has to give me the guy's seat assignment, Korean says Delta has to. I have been back and forth on this 6 times and it's ridiculous. They are supposed to be partners, yeah? Bushwa!
ticketted through BA but on an AA plane.
neither knew their arse from their elbow.
With regards Continental flying for Star Alliance, is there room for a 3rd US carrier in that network?