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I was using him as an example of a non islamic member. Perhaps I misunderstood the context of what you were saying.

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We have wires crossed somewhere as I dont understand how he is an example of "a non islamic"

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The first head of homeland security considered annexing the UK from the VWP after the airline bomb plot in 2006 making the argument that extremists in previous plots could easily have targeted the U.S which they could and still can. I don't think Bush and Obama had the stomach to do it. But trump has the stomach for anything he just torn up the paris agreement despite the fact it would take years to reactive the american coal industry, america must honour it till almost the end of trumps term and a future bloomberg lead administration would probably reinstate the accord so Trump move is meaningless.

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Not a non-islamic member as he had converted to Islam.

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British police seem to be trained quite well in dealing with people armed with a blade. It sounds like some non armed police did confront one of these attackers, as one was stabbed. This seems to have happened even with the knowledge of an assumed suicide vest. It will be helpful when we get the full picture of what happened when.

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I believe that happened early on in the incident and involved an off duty officer who happened to be on the scene of one of the stabbings.

Later reports indicated that there the three perpetrators were shot by 8 armed officers who fired a total of 50 rounds. I assume that the number of shots fired reflected the responding officers' belief that the suicide vests were real and that the three men needed to be stopped instantly.

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That is only 6 rounds or so each, not sure that we are that hard up to limit ammunition use.

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Obviously, 50 rounds discharged and a few people killed would just be a quiet Saturday night for many police departments in the US, but it still does represent "a lot" for the UK. It sounds as if one bystander also got shot which, again, would be no big deal in the US but hasn't happened for a long time (if ever) in the UK (assuming that you don't count the cases of mistaken identity where the wrong person got shot, or "the troubles" in Northern Ireland).

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We now live in different times, they wanted these guys down and out. It would have been dark and we do not know what range they were firing out or how they were equipped and they certainly had no knowledge of how they were armed. Whats a few more holes?

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I think belief in dying for allah and the 70 million virgins or however many you get is a requirement for joining these groups isn't it? I can't see any non muslim organisation allying with them.

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Pretty sure they do not qualify for the Virgins.

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You just taking the piss.

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Bloomberg? Where does he come in?

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We are already starting to see the obligatory flowers laid at the scene of the terrorist outrage, police admitting that they were aware of the terrorists beforehand, political "leaders" declaring that we will stand firm and be unmoved by terrorists and terrorism - they will never win - and that people should go on with their lives confident that the police and security services will protect them.

Besides, more people get shot and killed in Chicago on a typical Saturday evening than lost their lives in the London thing. So, terrorist actions are no biggie when seen in the larger context of things.

Please pardon my sarcasm, but for the parents of a girl who gets stabbed in the face, it is a biggie.

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Seems that Chicago was a bot less this weekend, obviously the vast majority are in very localised areas and I ma not sure if it was Muslims killing Muslims anybody else would be that bothered.