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Knife attack after car mounts pavement in London - reports

Major cities in the UK are probably not the place to be at the moment. There were armed police at Legoland last week when I visited.

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Watching sky news via the internet - London bridge a van hit pedestrians, people stabbed at Borough Market and now something at Vauxhall.

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Seems like another muslim attack 'they were shouting allah' UK definitely has a Muslim problem its no wonder Trump anti muslim stance was so popular.

Clearly a sector of muslims hate the UK and its openly preached to be anti west why do they stay there?

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7 dead, "this is for Allah".

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This is a terrorist attack, not a Muslim one.

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This is for Allah.

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No No No you keep saying but these people are Muslim hence its a muslim terrorist attack. All these attacks are being based on Muslim ideology - sorry until action is taken directly against these 'allah' individuals nothing will change

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Just like IRA attacks were Catholic terrorist attacks?

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It is difficult in many cases to separate religion from overall culture. Irish nationalism is in many ways tied to Catholicism, but it is not causation.
While protestant Irish nationalist and IRA members are few, they did and do exist. I have yet to hear of a non Islamic member of ISIL or affiliated groups.
We are not talking about old school Palestinian PLO terrorist groups like the PFLP that were led by Christians.

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We got of easy again. As terrible as these things are and very hard to prevent it will have the opposite effect of what they intend and bring people together.

Had both these recent attacks been against the U.S by the said British Muslims who would have lied to get in the country. Trump would remove the UK off the visa waiver program. Which would severely damage relations between our two countries and granting what in their eyes would be a victory for the name the terrorist group.

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What about former RAF Gunner Stephen Gray?

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There have been discussions on here some time ago about the VWP when thotd party interests now have access in large numbers.

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A Muslim convert who went to mosque? What about him?

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It's time to consider routinely arming British Police a-la the US. The only reason this was not more deadly is because it happens in a built up area which is well survived with AFOs. If this happened in, say, Bristol or my home town there would be more casualties before AFOs could respond.

I agree with Theresa May, we are far too tolerant of extremism.

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I was going to Tweet.

Maybe change my Facebook page.

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I was using him as an example of a non islamic member. Perhaps I misunderstood the context of what you were saying.

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We have wires crossed somewhere as I dont understand how he is an example of "a non islamic"

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The first head of homeland security considered annexing the UK from the VWP after the airline bomb plot in 2006 making the argument that extremists in previous plots could easily have targeted the U.S which they could and still can. I don't think Bush and Obama had the stomach to do it. But trump has the stomach for anything he just torn up the paris agreement despite the fact it would take years to reactive the american coal industry, america must honour it till almost the end of trumps term and a future bloomberg lead administration would probably reinstate the accord so Trump move is meaningless.

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Not a non-islamic member as he had converted to Islam.

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British police seem to be trained quite well in dealing with people armed with a blade. It sounds like some non armed police did confront one of these attackers, as one was stabbed. This seems to have happened even with the knowledge of an assumed suicide vest. It will be helpful when we get the full picture of what happened when.

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I believe that happened early on in the incident and involved an off duty officer who happened to be on the scene of one of the stabbings.

Later reports indicated that there the three perpetrators were shot by 8 armed officers who fired a total of 50 rounds. I assume that the number of shots fired reflected the responding officers' belief that the suicide vests were real and that the three men needed to be stopped instantly.

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That is only 6 rounds or so each, not sure that we are that hard up to limit ammunition use.

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Obviously, 50 rounds discharged and a few people killed would just be a quiet Saturday night for many police departments in the US, but it still does represent "a lot" for the UK. It sounds as if one bystander also got shot which, again, would be no big deal in the US but hasn't happened for a long time (if ever) in the UK (assuming that you don't count the cases of mistaken identity where the wrong person got shot, or "the troubles" in Northern Ireland).

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We now live in different times, they wanted these guys down and out. It would have been dark and we do not know what range they were firing out or how they were equipped and they certainly had no knowledge of how they were armed. Whats a few more holes?

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I think belief in dying for allah and the 70 million virgins or however many you get is a requirement for joining these groups isn't it? I can't see any non muslim organisation allying with them.

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Pretty sure they do not qualify for the Virgins.

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You just taking the piss.

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Bloomberg? Where does he come in?

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We are already starting to see the obligatory flowers laid at the scene of the terrorist outrage, police admitting that they were aware of the terrorists beforehand, political "leaders" declaring that we will stand firm and be unmoved by terrorists and terrorism - they will never win - and that people should go on with their lives confident that the police and security services will protect them.

Besides, more people get shot and killed in Chicago on a typical Saturday evening than lost their lives in the London thing. So, terrorist actions are no biggie when seen in the larger context of things.

Please pardon my sarcasm, but for the parents of a girl who gets stabbed in the face, it is a biggie.

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Seems that Chicago was a bot less this weekend, obviously the vast majority are in very localised areas and I ma not sure if it was Muslims killing Muslims anybody else would be that bothered.

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It is likely that Muslim on Muslim terrorism is largely ignored by the MSM - like the huge suicide bomb in Kabul last week. When it happens here, or in Europe, we generally see more reportage.

The Chicago stuff is probably largely drug/gang-related and, as you say, in a limited area. Still, the Chicago toll is cited practically every time there is a discussion of terrorist activity, in an effort by the Left, to damp down any enthusiasm for actually doing something substantial about it.:nod:

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Maybe something substantial should be done about both issues, and also terrorist incidents like the one in Portland last week.

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Bloomberg will probably be the democratic candidate running against Trump in 2020 and he will probably defeat him.

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Assuming that Bloomberg is still alive in 2020 :sneaky:

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That's ridiculous, he was born in February 1942. He'd be way too old. I agree we need a New Yorker to do the job. Cuomo.

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And Trump is not too old and Regan was not too old?

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No, it's not, that would be unacceptable to most UK residents. Anyway, from the first call to police to all 3 perpetrators dead was 8 minutes. Not sure how that response time could be improved significantly, it would usually take that length of time for your average bobby to get to a call.

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Yes, they were too old, but Bloomberg would be even older in 2020, I believe. I think there must be something fundamentally wrong in presidential candidate availability that we keep selecting people over retirement age. Ideally people would be in the 45 to 60 age range, with (dare I say it) solid experience in congress or state government behind them.