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Oakvillian Oct 13th 2016 3:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Abu Nazir (Post 12075822)
feel for you having a total wet blanket like him as your leader

the carbon tax he just rammed through parliament is scandalous, obama would've loved to have done something similar

Erm... best not comment on Canadian politics if you understand that little about it, eh?

Nobody has rammed anything through Parliament. The PM and his environment minister have proposed that, unless the Provinces legislate some sort of carbon pricing structure, the Federal government will legislate to impose one. Ten of the thirteen provinces and territories are onside with that approach. One is ideologically opposed; one is concerned that concessions on infrastructure spending should be packaged with a carbon tax; a third has raised the point that they have already imposed different mechanisms to achieve the same goals, and are already below 1990 emissions levels.

Where is the scandal?

magnumpi Oct 13th 2016 3:24 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Abu Nazir (Post 12075822)
feel for you having a total wet blanket like him as your leader

the carbon tax he just rammed through parliament is scandalous, obama would've loved to have done something similar

Said from a person who lives in a country that is run by a Gov who let's its citizens shoot each other because that's their right under the 2nd amendment!! WTF

Abu Nazir Oct 13th 2016 3:35 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 12075828)
Erm... best not comment on Canadian politics if you understand that little about it, eh?

Nobody has rammed anything through Parliament. The PM and his environment minister have proposed that, unless the Provinces legislate some sort of carbon pricing structure, the Federal government will legislate to impose one. Ten of the thirteen provinces and territories are onside with that approach. One is ideologically opposed; one is concerned that concessions on infrastructure spending should be packaged with a carbon tax; a third has raised the point that they have already imposed different mechanisms to achieve the same goals, and are already below 1990 emissions levels.

Where is the scandal?

excuse my ignorance but aren't gas prices in canada more in line with uk prices vs u.s. ones? from that point of view, imposing arbitrary taxes on remote economies like you have in parts of canada could be damaging for obvious reasons. obviously, don't matter to city folk in toronto and the other main cities but i'd be fuming if i ran a small business out in the sticks there where a car is the only mode of transport available and suddenly had to pay more for gas and other fuel because of this tax (assuming that's how this tax is going to be passed on to the consumer)

morpeth Oct 13th 2016 3:36 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12075769)
There is NO shortage of coverage about Trump, and it certainly should be covered.

But seemingly a blinding silence in the MSM about Clinton?

Even if was say 75% Trump and 25% Clinton I could sort of understand, CNN hardly seems to mention here and her misdeeds.

CNN and its commentators in my impression are uniformly against Trump, just the facial expressions of the commentators when Trump surrogates are speaking often shows that. Having said that , I prefer watching CNN than FOX as they do at least put on surrogates from both sides more often.

Trump certainly shooting himself in the foot. It was his election to win, no one to blame but himself.

caretaker Oct 13th 2016 3:40 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Abu Nazir (Post 12075822)
feel for you having a total wet blanket like him as your leader,the carbon tax he just rammed through parliament is scandalous, obama would've loved to have done something similar

Sympathy noted, but not really necessary. You should have see the last guy!

Abu Nazir Oct 13th 2016 3:42 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12075833)
Said from a person who lives in a country that is run by a Gov who let's its citizens shoot each other because that's their right under the 2nd amendment!! WTF

said from a person who lives in a country whose head of state is a german pensioner who lives in a castle in london

Anian Oct 13th 2016 3:42 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12075849)
CNN and its commentators in my impression are uniformly against Trump,

So is the GOP right now :rofl:

morpeth Oct 13th 2016 3:45 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Philk (Post 12075814)
I can't actually believe someone would post that but you did

A1: Abuse is hard thing to admit happened, especially when it's all powerful person but even when not it lives with the victims for years and years gnawing away at them

A2: Trump stood in front of 80million people and said it was all talk and he NEVER DID IT, several of the women has said that was the trigger

I am curious. When Bill Clinton did the things he did, his supporters who admitted the misdeeds said that was his personal life and didn't interfere with him being a good President. Now those same supporters saying Trump's misdeeds in his personal life would interfere with him being a good president.

But Trump campaign has it all wrong about Hilary in this aspect, whatever her faults ( and there are some serious ones) she reacted normally in the 90's against women who threatened her family.

Saw a Republican congressmen say the only reason he supports Trump is concern about Supreme court. He said neither Trump or Clinton could change much with the people and Congress so divided.

Poor Melania but I suspect she knows what he is like.

Giantaxe Oct 13th 2016 3:46 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12075849)
CNN and its commentators in my impression are uniformly against Trump, just the facial expressions of the commentators when Trump surrogates are speaking often shows that. Having said that , I prefer watching CNN than FOX as they do at least put on surrogates from both sides more often.

Next we'll be hearing how "biased" CNN is because Anderson Cooper wouldn't let Trump wriggle away from his question about whether Trump had ever groped women.

caretaker Oct 13th 2016 3:47 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Abu Nazir (Post 12075847)
excuse my ignorance but aren't gas prices in canada more in line with uk prices vs u.s. ones? from that point of view, imposing arbitrary taxes on remote economies like you have in parts of canada could be damaging for obvious reasons. obviously, don't matter to city folk in toronto and the other main cities but i'd be fuming if i ran a small business out in the sticks there where a car is the only mode of transport available and suddenly had to pay more for gas and other fuel because of this tax (assuming that's how this tax is going to be passed on to the consumer)

No. I think we pay about half what it costs in the UK (maybe less), and has been far more expensive in the past. The real hit will come in home heating costs and the proposal to allocate rebates to consumers has no numbers attached to it yet.
I wrote a long reply to your earlier comments then (being Canadian), erased it, and by the time I came back all the imports from the Maple Leaf came out and beat you up themselves, well played! Brought a tear to my eye. :wub:

morpeth Oct 13th 2016 3:52 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Anian (Post 12075854)
So is the GOP right now :rofl:

Yes the status quo in both parties, the media, have all been against him from the beginning.

But now Trump seems to be making it easier for them. I still wonder looking at the meltdown whether Trump has some sort of issue that interferes with his common sense in how he is managing this campaign.

yellowroom Oct 13th 2016 3:53 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Abu Nazir (Post 12075853)
said from a person who lives in a country whose head of state is a german pensioner who lives in a castle in ondon

Said "german" pensioner was born in the UK. To parents who were also born in the UK. And so were their parents. She has to go back to her great-grandparents before getting someone not born in the UK. Same as me actually.

How many generations have to be born in the UK before you consider someone British?

zargof Oct 13th 2016 3:58 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12075873)
Yes the status quo in both parties, the media, have all been against him from the beginning.

No they haven't. Most of the press have excused all his batshittery about Mexicans, Muslims, blacks, Jews, economics, taxes, terrorism, climate change and a whole host of other issues.

The only reason why this tape thing has sunk him is because this country is sex obsessed, which is a little weird for such a bunch of prudes.

morpeth Oct 13th 2016 4:10 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12075883)
No they haven't. Most of the press have excused all his batshittery about Mexicans, Muslims, blacks, Jews, economics, taxes, terrorism, climate change and a whole host of other issues.

The only reason why this tape thing has sunk him is because this country is sex obsessed, which is a little weird for such a bunch of prudes.

I have been paying attention to this election and watching a lot of CNN for months, they certainly have not been excusing him.

Maybe more puritanical than other countries, for better or worse, but if that means distaste for such comments I cant disagree with that. Locker room talk sure maybe in his teens or twenties, but as a father and grandfather in front of a journalist ? Staying in the room with Howard Stern after his daughter being called a "piece of ass" ? I don't think I know of any father of a daughter , democrat or republican , who would put up with that. So maybe as you say a nation of prudes.

Giantaxe Oct 13th 2016 4:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12075858)
I am curious. When Bill Clinton did the things he did, his supporters who admitted the misdeeds said that was his personal life and didn't interfere with him being a good President. Now those same supporters saying Trump's misdeeds in his personal life would interfere with him being a good president.

Gennifer Flowers revelations that she had an affair with Clinton (and his lying that he hadn't) dogged Clinton when he ran for president in '92. Flowers never said it was non-consensual, however. The allegations from Paula Jones and others didn't occur until later iirc. I doubt (Bill) Clinton would be elected president if he were running for president now rather than '92, which perhaps tells you something about how attitudes have changed in the last quarter of a century.


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