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Old Mar 14th 2016, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Apropos of nothing, has anybody else noticed how frequently Ted Cruz slips in bitchy references to Trump's age?
I have not but then I try and avoid listening to him.
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Hillary will never survive the Trump onslaught: It’s not fair, but it makes her a weak nominee - Salon.com

An interesting view.
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Old Mar 14th 2016, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by kimilseung
I think Bernie is proposing Social programs rather than Socialism.
At the cost of private ones which happen to do a good job, private charter schools an example of this which he is against. His policy on free public college tuition would close all the private colleges over night, many of which are African American
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At the cost of private ones which happen to do a good job, private charter schools an example of this which he is against. His policy on free public college tuition would close all the private colleges over night, many of which are African American
I don't agree with his "free" tuition plan (largely because the biggest beneficiary will be the economic segments that don't need it to be free), but he is totally correct that the current burden of student debt is insane, as is the fact that many are stuck paying ridiculously high interest rates on it. Really, it's hard to argue that the current situation for the payment of tertiary education is doing anything but a lousy job.
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
His policy on free public college tuition would close all the private colleges over night, many of which are African American
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
I gave up trying to figure where he comes up with anything he posts. Just pulls it out of his ... I suppose.
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It's all conservative talking points, so probably breitbart, Drudge Report, Fox News. They like to report conjecture and the opinions of one person who agree with them as news.
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Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
Make public colleges free of charge, why would anyone pay fees to go to private ones, especially minorities? How could private colleges possibly compete with colleges in the same town that are free of charge?

It's not rocket science and is one of several established arguments against Sanders' proposals. There are others on pretty much everything he proposes, his economic model has been picked apart and doesn't add up but people like you are fingers in their ears to it all
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Originally Posted by Anian
It's all conservative talking points, so probably breitbart, Drudge Report, Fox News. They like to report conjecture and the opinions of one person who agree with them as news.
In much the same way leftists and general anti Republican types get their opinions from Rachel Maddow and The Daily Show you mean
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In much the same way leftists and general anti Republican types get their buzzwords from Rachel Maddow and The Daily Show you mean
In other words "I know you are, but what am I?" ...
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Make public colleges free of charge, why would anyone pay fees to go to private ones, especially minorities? How could private colleges possibly compete with colleges in the same town that are free of charge?

It's not rocket science and is one of several established arguments against Sanders' proposals. There are others on pretty much everything he proposes, his economic model has been picked apart and doesn't add up but people like you are fingers in their ears to it all
It's odd that you're up in arms about education when you obviously don't have one.

In any case, there won't be many who decide to bail out of Hah-vard because the University of Wisconsin at Podunk is providing free classes.

There was a time when public colleges were free, and yet all of those private universities managed to do just fine.

Sanders' plan isn't particularly good, but not for the nonsensical reasons that you are providing. (Then again, your crazy feces handle would suggest that you don't mean it, either.)
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Originally Posted by themadpooper
Make public colleges free of charge, why would anyone pay fees to go to private ones, especially minorities? How could private colleges possibly compete with colleges in the same town that are free of charge?
It's a wonder there are private high schools in the US.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
It's a wonder there are private high schools in the US.
Right-wingers have a tough time understanding that those who supply education don't want to sell it to everyone who wants it. A lot like health insurance.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
I don't agree with his "free" tuition plan (largely because the biggest beneficiary will be the economic segments that don't need it to be free), but he is totally correct that the current burden of student debt is insane, as is the fact that many are stuck paying ridiculously high interest rates on it. Really, it's hard to argue that the current situation for the payment of tertiary education is doing anything but a lousy job.
I have to agree that the current burden of student debt is insane. I believe that part of the reason is that colleges and universities appear to be immune to market forces and that immunity is fueled by the ease with which student loans can be obtained - and which put the young graduates into a lifelong yoke that they can't even escape through bankruptcy.

Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.

To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.

Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.

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