2016 Election
Feb 26th 2016, 7:09 am
#4861
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Re: 2016 Election
How are those links relevant to my post that described my '08 viewpoint? You've gone all Boiler on us!
Feb 26th 2016, 7:12 am
#4863
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Re: 2016 Election
Feb 26th 2016, 7:21 am
#4864
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Re: 2016 Election
Feb 26th 2016, 7:23 am
#4865
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Re: 2016 Election
Really, I think you are being a little too defensive about this. Sanders has a lot of qualities, but the (unfortunate) fact is that he's at a place on the political spectrum that really does make it harder (not impossible) for him to get elected.
Last edited by Giantaxe; Feb 26th 2016 at 7:29 am.
Feb 26th 2016, 7:28 am
#4866
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Re: 2016 Election
We know from opinion poll surveys that Americans dislike socialism.
We know from the same surveys that this anti-socialism sentiment is strongest among older people, i.e. those who are more likely to vote.
Obama benefited from having an excellent ground game, coupled with the fact that the Republicans were in charge when the economy achieved meltdown.
In any case, Sanders has low to no odds of being the nominee, so this is just an academic exercise at best. And even though Clinton is not an ideal candidate, the electoral map suggests that it would be very difficult (although not impossible) for her to lose the general election.
We know from the same surveys that this anti-socialism sentiment is strongest among older people, i.e. those who are more likely to vote.
Obama benefited from having an excellent ground game, coupled with the fact that the Republicans were in charge when the economy achieved meltdown.
In any case, Sanders has low to no odds of being the nominee, so this is just an academic exercise at best. And even though Clinton is not an ideal candidate, the electoral map suggests that it would be very difficult (although not impossible) for her to lose the general election.
Feb 26th 2016, 7:31 am
#4867
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Re: 2016 Election
Sir Axe's point was that he didn't think Obama was unelectable. ("It never occurred to me that Obama was more (or less) unelectable than Clinton.")
My point was that the Democratic establishment began to pull for Obama. I never claimed (and would not think of claiming) that Bill Clinton didn't make statements in an effort to help his wife.
My point was that the Democratic establishment began to pull for Obama. I never claimed (and would not think of claiming) that Bill Clinton didn't make statements in an effort to help his wife.
Feb 26th 2016, 7:32 am
#4868
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Re: 2016 Election
But if he was the nominee, then you're damn right that he would be Commie Bernie who liked the Soviet Union and who will raise your taxes. His image will not remain intact when much money is spent to get that message across.
Feb 26th 2016, 7:37 am
#4869
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Re: 2016 Election
Fat boy Chris Christie needs to cut down on the sugar intake. How can he endorse Donald Trump as the best person to beat Hilary? Screwy !
Feb 26th 2016, 9:13 am
#4870
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Re: 2016 Election
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
Feb 26th 2016, 9:35 am
#4871
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Re: 2016 Election
Plus - timing's perfect for Christie :
1. His 2nd gubernatorial term ends in 2017.
Noo Joisey doesn't permit 3rd consecutive term.
And so......
2. The tantalizing prospect of sinking his posterior into the cosy cushion of the Attorney General's Cabinet seat must be irresistible (ie utterly endorsement worthy)
And for Trump - hey, it's just another "deal" - like every other event in his excuse for a life. A deal that cinches an endorsement, that generates a nooooze story, twitter fodder, cnn bloviator blah-blah etc. and...hey, what the hell....Cabinet, shabinet - he never listens to advisers anyway - so what's it matter in the end?
Pots of gold and rainbows.
Now I'm not saying this is what went down....but can any of us say it didn't ......
Feb 26th 2016, 10:49 am
#4872
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Re: 2016 Election
Hahaha. I know she is 
.. Seriously, she is waaaay better than most of the Republican candidates!
Like I said earlier, Gov Kaisch seems like a nice bloke, and makes a lot of sense, but then Republicans usually don't do 'sensible'
Purely judging by the debate performances, most of the Republican candidates, particularly that clown, would just cause mass chaos in the U.S and around the world; they sound like a bunch of radicalized hatemongers, war crazy brutes, and utter chaotic with no sense of the changing world dynamics and economy. I wouldn't let my tax dollars to be wasted by such fools. I'll rather have the lesser of two evils, and let the democrats abuse my hard earned cash and sovereignty! Just my thoughts
.. Seriously, she is waaaay better than most of the Republican candidates!Like I said earlier, Gov Kaisch seems like a nice bloke, and makes a lot of sense, but then Republicans usually don't do 'sensible'
Purely judging by the debate performances, most of the Republican candidates, particularly that clown, would just cause mass chaos in the U.S and around the world; they sound like a bunch of radicalized hatemongers, war crazy brutes, and utter chaotic with no sense of the changing world dynamics and economy. I wouldn't let my tax dollars to be wasted by such fools. I'll rather have the lesser of two evils, and let the democrats abuse my hard earned cash and sovereignty! Just my thoughts
Feb 26th 2016, 11:21 am
#4873
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Re: 2016 Election
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
Feb 26th 2016, 12:01 pm
#4874
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Re: 2016 Election
Glad you are back.
I don't like or respect the guy one bit; my sole desire is to see a Democrat in the White House, and in this context, my approach is, 'an enemy of my enemy is a friend'. I think his presence in the Republican race is helping the Democratic cause, despite his caustic rhetoric. Although, I would have to say (and I think you said it too), I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. But beyond that, I want whoever is most likely to lose to Hillary. Whether that is Rubio or Trump I can't honestly say. I think Rubio's lack of experience would mean he would be trounced by Hillary, and I fear that Trump could be a formidable opponent, simply due to his utter disregard for any standards of behavior.
I don't like or respect the guy one bit; my sole desire is to see a Democrat in the White House, and in this context, my approach is, 'an enemy of my enemy is a friend'. I think his presence in the Republican race is helping the Democratic cause, despite his caustic rhetoric. Although, I would have to say (and I think you said it too), I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. But beyond that, I want whoever is most likely to lose to Hillary. Whether that is Rubio or Trump I can't honestly say. I think Rubio's lack of experience would mean he would be trounced by Hillary, and I fear that Trump could be a formidable opponent, simply due to his utter disregard for any standards of behavior.
Trump has tapped into the white, low information, poorly educated (Trump's words, not mine), underemployed, working poor, demographic. Instead of blaming the educational system in the US --- these people simply are not employable in well paying jobs anymore --- yet Trump is blaming minorities. It's a lot easier to blame the brown ones (who also can't get well paying jobs, btw) than to tell these people they need to get up off their lazy asses and get the proper education and technical skills they need to get ahead. Oh, and by the way, it's going to be difficult, you're going to have to crack some books and embrace STEM. It's much easier to blame the Mexicans and Muslims.
The reason Trump is playing nice with Planned Parenthood is because that is where the poor white women go for their birth control, cancer screenings, and their ABORTIONS. Yes, poor white women get ABORTIONS at Planned Parenthood just like the brown ones do.
Last edited by Leslie; Feb 26th 2016 at 12:13 pm.
Feb 26th 2016, 1:00 pm
#4875
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Re: 2016 Election
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
Poll finds Sanders & Clinton backers twice as racist as Rubio supporters: David Mastio
Seems to go against the collective wisdom.
(30% of Carsons vote, did not approve of Lincolns decision?)
