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Re: 2016 Election
The countries stature might be somewhat higher had it not demonstrated that it's vaunted military could not defeat the enemy in Vietnam in almost 10 years, pretty much the same in Iraq, but wait, we did bring Granada to its knees.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Ricky_85
(Post 11763418)
Would it be too politically incorrect and too imperialistic to say the following axiom/truth?
'When America disengage from the world stage the world become even more messier than it normally is and that very bad actors fill in the gap left by the US'? |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
(Post 11763412)
I do of course understand what Article 5 of the NATO agreement provides.
Nevertheless, if Russia were to move proxy forces into Estonia to "protect" the Russian-speaking minority (25%of the population), at their "request" from the fascists in the Estonian government and threatened war if NATO intervened under Article 5 - do you really think they'd intervene? Would Obama commit "boots on the ground" to intervene in Estonia and possibly get into a hot war with Russia, on their border?
Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
(Post 11763412)
As for Israel, we send military $$ to protect our own interests there and to appease their supporters in this country. Our political support has been minimal in the past few years.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11763433)
I think you can argue that both ways. For example, I'd say that the years of US intervention in Iraq were undoubtedly "messier than it normally is".
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Re: 2016 Election
Talking of taking politicians seriously...
Ben Carson asks, 'Gravity, where did it come from?' | MSNBC |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11763445)
Talking of taking politicians seriously...
Ben Carson asks, 'Gravity, where did it come from?' | MSNBC What is it with conservatives and their blind grip on ignorance? What are they so scared of that they must reject knowledge and understanding of the Universe so vehemently? |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
(Post 11763448)
That's as bad as Bill O'Reilly's 'Tide comes in, tide goes out'.
What is it with conservatives and their blind grip on ignorance? What are they so scared of that they must reject knowledge and understanding of the Universe so vehemently? |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 11763454)
Because if they start to allow facts and reason to penetrate their bubble, then their whole worldview will start to collapse in on itself.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11763433)
I think you can argue that both ways. For example, I'd say that the years of US intervention in Iraq were undoubtedly "messier than it normally is".
No arguing about that. A lotta people killed and injured, both military and soldiers. The Middle-East (for various reasons) has always been messy. And an ally might turn in an enemy in a blink of an eye. See Afghanistan. Still, since too many players (most are bad) want to fill the vacum of power in this region, that now is being created, I maintain that the US is the only one who can be trusted. Actually, a scenario whereby Putin and all the Shia leaders (Iran, Syria and Iraq) ally together to possibly dominate the entire Middle-East is very scary. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11763429)
I don't think he actually did call the war a success, even though that was The Guardian's interpretation. Here's what he said:
"It's harder to end a war than begin one. Everything that American troops have done in Iraq - all the fighting, all the dying, the bleeding and the building and the training and the partnering, all of it has landed to this moment of success.". You can certainly accuse Obama of a very "Clintonesque" phrase by talking about "this moment" rather than the war as a whole. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP
(Post 11763475)
The president is trying to say that the troops did well. He's not claiming that it was a good war -- after all, he campaigned against it.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11763445)
Talking of taking politicians seriously...
Ben Carson asks, 'Gravity, where did it come from?' | MSNBC Although, you would probably have to be a post-doctoral level physicist to actually attempt to answer the question of what gravity really is. We all know it's there and how it controls the world and the universe as we understand them, and how to allow for it, but still it is one of the facets of nature that is profound. Why, for example, is there a gas cloud that passes close to the black hole at the center of our galaxy (that has the mass equivalent to 4,000,000 suns) without it being torn apart and sucked into that black hole - but it does pass close with minimal damage. The gravitational pull of that black hole is vast beyond our ability to comprehend. |
Re: 2016 Election
He's the one who brought it up though, so maybe he shouldn't bring up things he doesn't understand and then show how little he knows.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Anian
(Post 11763484)
He's the one who brought it up though, so maybe he shouldn't bring up things he doesn't understand and then show how little he knows.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Ricky_85
(Post 11763472)
Still, since too many players (most are bad) want to fill the vacum of power in this region, that now is being created, I maintain that the US is the only one who can be trusted. Actually, a scenario whereby Putin and all the Shia leaders (Iran, Syria and Iraq) ally together to possibly dominate the entire Middle-East is very scary.
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