working in pre school
#1
working in pre school
Can any one help with a question,please?
I'm a qualified primary school teacher but haven't got my NQT year (grad.2007 and have been doing supply since).I've applied to go to uni in Brisbane to take a Dip Ed in Early Years teaching so I can register with Queensland as a teacher.
However in my supply work I've done a lot in pre school which I've really enjoyed and am considering aiming for that area instead of teaching in schools, have been thinking about child care manager,that sort of job.I can see I still need the teaching qualification but will I be able to get work experience in a pre school unit in Aus as I have no formal pre school qualifications?
I'm quite prepared to work as a casual with no formal quals.while I'm doing the course so that I can get some experience in an Aus. pre school setting but just wondered if I would be able to apply? Does any one know how I can get a blue card as well?
Any advice would be really appreciated.
I'm a qualified primary school teacher but haven't got my NQT year (grad.2007 and have been doing supply since).I've applied to go to uni in Brisbane to take a Dip Ed in Early Years teaching so I can register with Queensland as a teacher.
However in my supply work I've done a lot in pre school which I've really enjoyed and am considering aiming for that area instead of teaching in schools, have been thinking about child care manager,that sort of job.I can see I still need the teaching qualification but will I be able to get work experience in a pre school unit in Aus as I have no formal pre school qualifications?
I'm quite prepared to work as a casual with no formal quals.while I'm doing the course so that I can get some experience in an Aus. pre school setting but just wondered if I would be able to apply? Does any one know how I can get a blue card as well?
Any advice would be really appreciated.
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Re: working in pre school
Hello,
not sure if your aware but they start school officially at around 6.
But most schools have a kindy and pre-primary. So you would probably get work in these age groups.
You see plenty of day care nurserys eg ABC is big one here in OZ. However not sure what salary would be compared to teachers wages.
The other thing is Ive seen a few OZ teachers swap around age ranges once they were in the job. So you could in theory start off in Year 1 and see if you could swap to pre primary following year.
Gems
not sure if your aware but they start school officially at around 6.
But most schools have a kindy and pre-primary. So you would probably get work in these age groups.
You see plenty of day care nurserys eg ABC is big one here in OZ. However not sure what salary would be compared to teachers wages.
The other thing is Ive seen a few OZ teachers swap around age ranges once they were in the job. So you could in theory start off in Year 1 and see if you could swap to pre primary following year.
Gems
#3
Re: working in pre school
Hello,
not sure if your aware but they start school officially at around 6.
But most schools have a kindy and pre-primary. So you would probably get work in these age groups.
You see plenty of day care nurserys eg ABC is big one here in OZ. However not sure what salary would be compared to teachers wages.
The other thing is Ive seen a few OZ teachers swap around age ranges once they were in the job. So you could in theory start off in Year 1 and see if you could swap to pre primary following year.
Gems
not sure if your aware but they start school officially at around 6.
But most schools have a kindy and pre-primary. So you would probably get work in these age groups.
You see plenty of day care nurserys eg ABC is big one here in OZ. However not sure what salary would be compared to teachers wages.
The other thing is Ive seen a few OZ teachers swap around age ranges once they were in the job. So you could in theory start off in Year 1 and see if you could swap to pre primary following year.
Gems
i did know the children start at 6 but i really didn't want to teach middle school, not sure of my confidence for lower end high school so though early years was better option for me plus covers me for teaching and pre school so i an keep my options open if i want to switch age groups.
Thanks for reply, main thing was I was wondering if i would be ok to work in a pre school setting with my qualifications and you've answered that! Cheers.
#4
Re: working in pre school
I have a PGCE specialising in Early Years (3-7) and when I first arrived in Oz I taught as a Pre School Teacher in a private Kindergarten centre. To be honest it's not like teaching in a reception class in the UK, it is child care. I left after a few months because I couldn't bear it. I needed to be in a classroom environment again, that's not saying its bad it just wasn't for me.
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
Last edited by Stella340; Oct 2nd 2008 at 12:08 am.
#5
Re: working in pre school
I have a PGCE specialising in Early Years (3-7) and when I first arrived in Oz I taught as a Pre School Teacher in a private Kindergarten centre. To be honest it's not like teaching in a reception class in the UK, it is child care. I left after a few months because I couldn't bear it. I needed to be in a classroom environment again, that's not saying its bad it just wasn't for me.
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
I'm doing the dip.ed because i have done the 3 yr degree in UK so need the extra year at degree level to be able to register with Queenslands teachers so that has to be done what ever before I can look at any thing else.
That was very interesting about the bridging course as this was what I felt would be the hurdle for moving between education and childcare.I wonder if I could go on to take that as soon as I finish the dip.ed?
I'm just not sure which direction i want to go in at the moment and really want to keep my options open and starting as an unqualified supply in childcare would give me some wages plus experience while I complete the dip ed and also give me chance to see if child care is really where I want to be as opposed to teaching.
Thank you for that info as I thought there would be more to managing a child care centre than just being a qualified teacher ( here Early Years covers birth to reception but I can see from your post they are two separate areas in Queensland).
I will go and register with some one like ABC for supply work initially and then get my blue card, some experience and my teacher registration and decide from there which direction I want to go in.Then I can look at the bridging course or apply to schools as supply.
Thanks again!
Last edited by Babsw; Oct 2nd 2008 at 5:55 am. Reason: spelling
#6
Re: working in pre school
No problem
It seems the Dip Ed is probably the best route then as at least you'll get your teaching bit 'out of the way' and the bridging course can come at a later date. To be honest I think that at some point in the future I'm going to do the bridging course so that I can access employment in both schools and child care centres. At least we'll be covering all possible employment options then!
Good luck with your Dip Ed. and I may see you in a year or so on that bridging course!
Lucy
It seems the Dip Ed is probably the best route then as at least you'll get your teaching bit 'out of the way' and the bridging course can come at a later date. To be honest I think that at some point in the future I'm going to do the bridging course so that I can access employment in both schools and child care centres. At least we'll be covering all possible employment options then!
Good luck with your Dip Ed. and I may see you in a year or so on that bridging course!
Lucy
#7
Re: working in pre school
I have a PGCE specialising in Early Years (3-7) and when I first arrived in Oz I taught as a Pre School Teacher in a private Kindergarten centre. To be honest it's not like teaching in a reception class in the UK, it is child care. I left after a few months because I couldn't bear it. I needed to be in a classroom environment again, that's not saying its bad it just wasn't for me.
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
Hi Stella!
I would also like to say thank you for all the info. I too did a PGCE specialising in Early Years, however I have taught from reception to year 4 in uk schools. your post has given me more hope of finding a job once we get to oz. I'm keeping an open mind and feel I'd be happy teaching any age range to begin with.
Cheers!
Jo x
#8
Re: working in pre school
I have a PGCE specialising in Early Years (3-7) and when I first arrived in Oz I taught as a Pre School Teacher in a private Kindergarten centre. To be honest it's not like teaching in a reception class in the UK, it is child care. I left after a few months because I couldn't bear it. I needed to be in a classroom environment again, that's not saying its bad it just wasn't for me.
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
But, I worked in a centre where they were happy to accept my degree qualifications but on the basis that I complete a child care bridging program which would give me a Cert III in Child Care and a Diploma in Child Care (the standard qualifications for child care staff). Obviously having a degree meant that the course was fairly short BUT this was a requirement to working for the Department of Communities so watch out for this. Many centres will not employ you on the basis of a degree only because the Department of Education (teachers) and the Department of Communities (child care) are completely separate.
If you have a BEd degree already and are thinking Child Care is for you then see if you can do the bridging course to cover your Child Care qualifications and you can apply to be the Pre School Leader / Teacher - *eta* I just realised that you haven't done your NQT year. You do need to be registered with Queensland Teaching Council before you can do the bridging course so you might want to contact them and ask them if it's possible for you to register (without the NQT year) http://www.qct.edu.au/ Is this what you are doing the Dip Ed for? Ask them first to see if it's needed or if your supply time adds up to an acceptable length of prior teaching service.
Here's a link to the bridging course available on the Gold Coast if it helps http://www.goldcoast.tafe.qld.gov.au...2850&version=2
and a link to the wages you may expect from working in a Child Care centre http://www.wageline.qld.gov.au/award...ards&_id=E0001 Have a look at 5.1 and 5.2
And you can apply for a blue card here, but if you apply to a child care centre they will sort this when you are given a job http://www.ccypcg.qld.gov.au/employment/index.html
As a teacher starting your career in Oz, you will be expected to work anywhere which could involve a commute. My current contract (8 weeks) is a 40 mins drive each way. And on that drive I probably pass around 20 child care centres! It really comes down to a personal choice for your career. I have now been doing contracts in schools and have been working in the Early Years (from Prep to Year 3) so it is possible to work in the lower ages if you feel you need to build your confidence.
Also if you're heading to Brisbane you might want to speak to these http://www.expectastar.com.au/group/index.asp I've seen them advertising on Seek for qualified teachers to fill Preschool vacancies. But you may need your Queensland Teaching Council Registration??
Anyway apologies if you've already been given this information a million times over from lots of people
Good luck!
Lucy
*** Oh and another edit to say welcome to the world of paperwork that is teaching in QLD ***
Hi Stella!
I would also like to say thank you for all the info. I too did a PGCE specialising in Early Years, however I have taught from reception to year 4 in uk schools. your post has given me more hope of finding a job once we get to oz. I'm keeping an open mind and feel I'd be happy teaching any age range to begin with.
Cheers!
Jo x
#9
Re: working in pre school
Hi Stella!
I would also like to say thank you for all the info. I too did a PGCE specialising in Early Years, however I have taught from reception to year 4 in uk schools. your post has given me more hope of finding a job once we get to oz. I'm keeping an open mind and feel I'd be happy teaching any age range to begin with.
Cheers!
Jo x
I would also like to say thank you for all the info. I too did a PGCE specialising in Early Years, however I have taught from reception to year 4 in uk schools. your post has given me more hope of finding a job once we get to oz. I'm keeping an open mind and feel I'd be happy teaching any age range to begin with.
Cheers!
Jo x
#10
Re: working in pre school
I'd look into working at a C&K if you can.
In my mind it's much closer to a school type environment than a regular daycare that offers kindy.
In my mind it's much closer to a school type environment than a regular daycare that offers kindy.