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Old Nov 6th 2017, 6:38 pm
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That's a pretty low bar.
The NRA could use that as a counter argument. Guns are necessary to stop criminals with guns
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Old Nov 6th 2017, 6:39 pm
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The NRA could use that as a counter argument. Guns are necessary to stop criminals with guns
They already have FFS. I thought you knew everything.
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They already have FFS. I thought you knew everything.
Then if you knew anything you would also know that it's a counter argument that the NRA use to very good effect. Millions believe it. Even I carry a couple of handguns at home just in case..... even if I live in a low crime pretty safe town. Criminals know no borders
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Then if you knew anything you would also know that it's a counter argument that the NRA use to very good effect. Millions believe it. Even I carry a couple of handguns at home just in case..... even if I live in a low crime pretty safe town. Criminals know no borders
Erm yeah .... everybody knows what the NRA does. You're just the only one here who is stupid enough to fall for their brainwashing.

So do you walk around your house with a handgun on each hip? Like Yosemite Sam?
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I carry a couple of handguns at home
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Old Nov 6th 2017, 7:18 pm
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I live here sunshine - my father had both a UK fac and shotgun cert and I shot smallbore for Ireland. So, now tell me what details are wrong...

If you have held a fac for many years, you have certain privileges which are not available to new applicants - but the law is as I have stated.
Me too, part of the year. Are ireland any good now? Or is it like wales, where the people who couldnt get into real teams congregate :-) [Its true about wales, but which ireland is this?]

Just for the others : all weapons must be carried concealed unlike the us
Personal defense pistols are legally owned but rarely in the uk, if you have a reason, i cant discuss further but im sure the relevant info is google-able somewhere.

Offensive weapons has no meaning in this context, they arent if they are legally owned and used legitimately, as a chef uses a knife.

Any calibre of single shot guns of any length are allowed, i have a friend who does long distance pistol with a 300 win mag pistol, just not magazine fed or revolver fullbore pistols [not where i winter...].

Legally in the uk if you are safe with a firearm, you can have 100, IF you have sufficient security AND a reason, but collecting, dealing, hunting abroad are all legitimate reasons, im not sure how a friend justified a beautifully african scene engraved holland and holland 500 nitro express elephant double rifle [very light, shotgun like, a mere £2k, imagine the price if it was a 12 bore] but there arent many elephants left in surrey and its on his ticket. I will say that if you fire it prone on the zero range at Bisley, your elbows leave the ground and the world stops rotating beneath you.

A dealer ticket is the way to go for collectors or amateur dealers, obtainable if you have the stsnding, sponsorship etc, plus aforesaid security, then you dont have to go through hoops to buy/sell so long as you maintain records and report info as required.

The police do occasionally check and personally i welcome it.

There is no requirement to use a range to keep guns, actually i know CPO’s have mixed views, as it can make a club a target for theft, safer to have the guns in smaller nos in different places, so long as we have the required cabinets etc.

However how many legal guns are used in crime? We know dont we. Shotguns are more of an issue in that regard imho.

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Even I carry a couple of handguns at home just in case

Do you not see that this is just not normal?

Why would you, or anyone, want to live that way?
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Surprised Boiler hasn't been on here to tell us someone got stabbed somewhere yesterday...
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Then if you knew anything you would also know that it's a counter argument that the NRA use to very good effect. Millions believe it. Even I carry a couple of handguns at home just in case..... even if I live in a low crime pretty safe town. Criminals know no borders
Good grief...what sort of an area do you live?

In my almost 20 years in NJ I have never, ever felt it necessary to carry a gun or have one at home. The area was very safe...high property taxes meant we had a large local police force. They regularly drove around day and night.
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Do you not see that this is just not normal?

Why would you, or anyone, want to live that way?
My neighbor at the top of the road had an attempted home invasion last year. His garage door was still open as he had just driven in his car. Two men out on the sidewalk ran towards him. The door had started to come down. One tried to stop it but it was too late.
We've had gang members from LA burgling a couple of houses although we're pretty far from LA. The town straddles a major freeway so it's only a matter of going down a mile and half road to get to it. Fortunately the police caught about eight of them not long afterwards.

Handguns don't bother me. I keep them safe from the kids. If my home was invaded during the night or day I could call 911 and wait for the police to get there (assuming he would allow me to do that ) or I could confront the burglar and give him a choice of adding years more to his life or.....

I'm not against handguns and see no harm in keeping them in the house as a form of protection. I do however have a problem with people owning high powered military style semi automatic weapons.

For non military or police there is no reason to have them
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Good grief...what sort of an area do you live?

In my almost 20 years in NJ I have never, ever felt it necessary to carry a gun or have one at home. The area was very safe...high property taxes meant we had a large local police force. They regularly drove around day and night.
You're one of the lucky ones then.
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I guess this could also go in wtf america :-)

Friends in texas put up signs - usually a toy gun and ‘we dont call 911’ to let burglars know the homeowner will kill any intruder. I was told you can call the cops but then they wont enter unless everyone comes out with their hands up, the swat team will enter throwing gas and stun grenades and break your house up, but otherwise if they know ‘perps’ are there its too dangerous to enter, so you might as well kill them - they also told me that the law protects the homeowner killing an invader anyway but killing the bad guy is legally safer?

I might add some of them are a little out there - one of them is a machine gun collector, forget assault rifles, he has various tripod held machine guns, tommy guns, an uzi, a fully auto m16 of some sort, a .308 minigun, and has a hobby making and selling sound moderators [silencers] to among others some government bodies. I tried a moderated fully automatic ruger mini 14 firing subsonic soft rounds. Very deadly, very quiet, very impressive in a macabre way.

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I guess this could also go in wtf america :-)

Friends in texas put up signs - usually a toy gun and ‘we dont call 911’ to let burglars know the homeowner will kill any intruder. I was told you can call the cops but then they wont enter unless everyone comes out with their hands up, the swat team will enter throwing gas and stun grenades and break your house up, but otherwise if they know ‘perps’ are there its too dangerous to enter, so you might as well kill them - they also told me that the law protects the homeowner killing an invader anyway but killing the bad guy is legally safer?
Phew...thank god I lived in a low crime state.
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My neighbor at the top of the road had an attempted home invasion last year. His garage door was still open as he had just driven in his car. Two men out on the sidewalk ran towards him. The door had started to come down. One tried to stop it but it was too late.
We've had gang members from LA burgling a couple of houses although we're pretty far from LA. The town straddles a major freeway so it's only a matter of going down a mile and half road to get to it. Fortunately the police caught about eight of them not long afterwards.

Handguns don't bother me. I keep them safe from the kids. If my home was invaded during the night or day I could call 911 and wait for the police to get there (assuming he would allow me to do that ) or I could confront the burglar and give him a choice of adding years more to his life or.....

I'm not against handguns and see no harm in keeping them in the house as a form of protection. I do however have a problem with people owning high powered military style semi automatic weapons.

For non military or police there is no reason to have them
They are called burglaries, "home invasions" notwithstanding. It is not normal to kill them, nor for them to kill you, nor for the feeling to be that one must armed at all times "just in case". I have lived in urban gang areas and everywhere else, and never had either the need nor the desire to carry a gun.
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