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Old Aug 17th 2019, 9:48 pm
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Originally Posted by The Rushman View Post
Strange how the Hudson, The Thames, The Rhine, The Seine arent overflowing with discarded plastics.

Any possibility a bit of third world education is needed before a third world war?
However the UK beaches and English Channel are polluted. This is a 'world' problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-report-finds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49102754
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However the UK beaches and English Channel are polluted. This is a 'world' problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-report-finds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49102754
It would be a miracle if the Seine is clean ... living amongst the French, I can't believe that.
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It would be a miracle if the Seine is clean ... living amongst the French, I can't believe that.
I don't suppose any major rivers are clean. Much of the rubbish that ends up in the oceans has flowed down the rivers to get there. And of course Europe and the US send a lot of their rubbish to Asia, as though if it enters the waters from other land masses we didn't really do it. There are plastic particles at the bottom of the Mariana trench, FFS.
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I don't suppose any major rivers are clean. Much of the rubbish that ends up in the oceans has flowed down the rivers to get there. And of course Europe and the US send a lot of their rubbish to Asia, as though if it enters the waters from other land masses we didn't really do it. There are plastic particles at the bottom of the Mariana trench, FFS.
Canada does too. We had a multi-year argument with the Philippines where Canada sent garbage there marked as recyclables, Canada just recently accepted the garbage back. Took so long to resolve the company that sent it went out of business.

Places in Canada still dump raw sewage into the ocean as well, Victoria, BC being one, they are only now build a treatment facility after fighting it for decades.

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Old Aug 17th 2019, 11:15 pm
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We just aren't going to be happy until we've destroyed everything, are we. For a species with such a big brain, we really aren't very clever. We are destroying our own means of survival with our greed, exploitation, and overconsumption. What the planet needs is a big die-off. Of us.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49380633



Thanos was right. What's needed is for 85% of us to cark it and for 10 trees to grow in every person's place. It;s worth remembering though that the advent of disposable plastic was brought about by a desire to save the planet from paper and the associated tree felling (Didn't help though).

Ocean and wind currents are largely responsible for a lot of this trash winding up in the same old spots, I like to think of it as mother nature actually making it easier for us to tidy up if we only had the will to, but of course she can't help us with the plastic snowfall etc, because we've left it far too long to take it seriously. Blaming it on certain areas isn't the way forward, it's a world problem and it needs to be dealt with as such. Our economies are based on perpetual growth, because those in the money want more and more, and that's where the unsustainability begins, and snowballs into what we're faced with today. It's not enough to exist and be happy anymore.

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Old Aug 17th 2019, 11:19 pm
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It would be a miracle if the Seine is clean ... living amongst the French, I can't believe that.
You'd be inseine to believe so
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Old Aug 17th 2019, 11:26 pm
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You'd be inseine to believe so
Ooh, l'eau blow!
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Ooh, l'eau blow!
Oh good grief
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You'd be inseine to believe so
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Ooh, l'eau blow!
I can detect the oder from here.
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Old Aug 18th 2019, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
However the UK beaches and English Channel are polluted. This is a 'world' problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-report-finds

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49102754
Ahh the Guardian and the BBC .... see an empty bottle floating with a discarded empty crisp packet did they?

Now go google the pictures of rivers completely topped with refuse and tell me where they are.
Shithole countries thats where, but who do they want to pick up the tab and lay the guilt trap on?
The gullible touchy feely ****ers with the money instead of the filthy bastards responsible.
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Old Aug 18th 2019, 12:38 pm
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I don't suppose any major rivers are clean. Much of the rubbish that ends up in the oceans has flowed down the rivers to get there. And of course Europe and the US send a lot of their rubbish to Asia, as though if it enters the waters from other land masses we didn't really do it. There are plastic particles at the bottom of the Mariana trench, FFS.
There you go with your liberal western blame and guilt.
So they get our rubbish .... no doubt the deal is they dispose of it environmentally but theyre just slinging it in the sea. Whos to blame? Of course itll be the west in your mind.
We DIDNT do it!! THEY throw it in the sea, THEIR own coast and you cant see tgat with that much disrespect for their own locale tgeyre not going to give a monkeys toss about the rest of the globe.
But youll just defend them and villainise the west again.

On documentary footage of Delhi or Mumbai ... how many recycling bins did you see? In fact how many of ANY bins did you see?

Its a good job environmentally that they are poor. Because do you think that if they could afford to buy goods as much as the west that they will suddenly start reycling or giving a shit? Of course they bloody wont you daft tart.
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Old Aug 18th 2019, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by The Rushman View Post
Strange how the Hudson, The Thames, The Rhine, The Seine arent overflowing with discarded plastics.

Any possibility a bit of third world education is needed before a third world war?
It's well known that Asia and Africa bears a lot of responsibility, yet people in the west are getting all bent out of shape about plastic bags and water bottles etc.

https://news.sky.com/story/just-10-r...ceans-11167581

Just 10 rivers are carrying 90% of the plastic entering the oceans, a study has found.

Two of them are in Africa - the Nile and the Niger - while the others are in Asia: the Indus, Ganges, Amur, Mekong, Pearl, Hai he, Yellow and Yangtze.
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Old Aug 18th 2019, 1:07 pm
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I don't suppose any major rivers are clean. Much of the rubbish that ends up in the oceans has flowed down the rivers to get there. And of course Europe and the US send a lot of their rubbish to Asia, as though if it enters the waters from other land masses we didn't really do it. There are plastic particles at the bottom of the Mariana trench, FFS.
They don't send "rubbish" to Asia, they sell recyclables to Asia.

Sure, there will be some illegal activity where the quality of the recyclate is sub-par and overly contaminated, but the majority of materials sold to Asia are as described.

Asia is where a lot of things are made for the west, when those things become end of life the commodities contained therein are sold back to Asia because that's where the demand is as they are making the next product.

Steel, copper, aluminium, silver, gold etc all head to Asia as do engineering plastics like ABS, HIPS, PC etc that come from electronics recycling (and now some HDPE, PP, etc from automotive recycling). Domestic-waste-recovered PET, PS, LDPE etc is where the problem has appeared when the quality of separation in the West is sometimes not of a good enough quality.

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It's well known that Asia and Africa bears a lot of responsibility, yet people in the west are getting all bent out of shape about plastic bags and water bottles etc.

https://news.sky.com/story/just-10-r...ceans-11167581
I learned a long time ago that you look like a bit of a dick if you acknowledge there's an issue, blame other people and do nothing about it yourself.

We all know the third world in particular are atrocious with plastic consumption but the average Joe in that part of the world probably has a minuscule carbon footprint compared to you or I (I'm thinking flights for example). So blaming them for chucking shit everywhere is probably a bit harsh.

Doing something, if even just a bit around water bottles and plastic bags definitely makes a difference....yeah some people jump on it to look good or just for the most basic moral boost but that's life. From a broader perspective, quite how the Middle East governments aren't forcing every development to be covered in solar panels is just beyond me. The lack of sense is mind blowing. Lots of potential to harness energy in extreme environments just seems to be not taken seriously. Still, in the UK you can ask your energy provider to give you renewable energy, the more who demand it will put more pressure on them to create more KWs from renewables.
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Old Aug 18th 2019, 1:21 pm
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I learned a long time ago that you look like a bit of a dick if you acknowledge there's an issue, blame other people and do nothing about it yourself.

We all know the third world in particular are atrocious with plastic consumption but the average Joe in that part of the world probably has a minuscule carbon footprint compared to you or I (I'm thinking flights for example). So blaming them for chucking shit everywhere is probably a bit harsh.

Doing something, if even just a bit around water bottles and plastic bags definitely makes a difference....yeah some people jump on it to look good or just for the most basic moral boost but that's life. From a broader perspective, quite how the Middle East governments aren't forcing every development to be covered in solar panels is just beyond me. The lack of sense is mind blowing. Lots of potential to harness energy in extreme environments just seems to be not taken seriously. Still, in the UK you can ask your energy provider to give you renewable energy, the more who demand it will put more pressure on them to create more KWs from renewables.
Every extra $ spent in the west on this would get 10 or 20 or 50 times more plastic removed if it was spent in the developing world.

Plastics in the sea are a nice obvious issue, but the lifecycle assessment of a plastic bag in the UK Vs a paper one or a cotton one etc will likely not be quite such a slam-dunk as people think.

In general plastic packaging is fabulous, it minimises food wastage and weighs a lot less that glass or steel etc when it comes to transport. Plastic in cars is one of the reasons why miles per gallon and safety have improved.

Unfortunately the tragedy of the commons means that others inability to manage their countries also impacts us - one just have to look at German or Chinese coal burning to see that WRT global warming.

Agreed re Middle East and solar - but then look how cheap your petrol prices are.
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